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What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 679 ✭✭✭US3


    Every year my house electricity goes for 2 or 3 days, and even 6 days in 2017 and 2014 due to stormy weather. How will I hear my fully electric home and charge my electric car to get to work in this scenario ? Especially as storms are set to become more frequent and more severe.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,913 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Multicultural engineers will fix it don't worry.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Whatever peoples views on multiculturalism no one can deny that the increase is massive.

    Except that they can, and they will deny it... because the goal is parity, or a larger diverse population than the native group. Until that is reached, they're not going to acknowledge the increases or the shifts in the demographics except to say that more needs to be done.

    The same thing happened with Denmark.. all the time that people were pointing to the major shifts in demographics, others sought to downplay it.. until it was unavoidable, at which stage, those deniers moved on to some other topic to cover. That's the nature of the multicultural game.

    Where it all end who knows.

    Sure, we do. The society and economics of the Cyberpunk genre pretty much describes where we're heading. Social nets collapsing, cheap labour, massive corporations, incredible inequality, gang warfare, etc. Just take out the futuristic cybernetics, and we're running head down towards such an environment.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,496 ✭✭✭Luxembourgo


    We need to build purpose built accomodation to house people coming looking for international protection, otherwise this problem will grow or grow. Process as soon as possible with limited appeals, which is fairer on everyone.

    The limitations and unsuitability of the current system, and the ponderous nature of our processes is being laid bare.

    The way they are going about it, purchasing and using housing stock, and prioritising one group over another,ignoring existing links, is going up build more and more resentment in the country.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,496 ✭✭✭Luxembourgo




  • Registered Users Posts: 7,328 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Wow what is this???


    All over the news and people saying we have to put a cap on the numbers.


    Pat Kenny talking about it now and is angry that 40% of asylum seekers destroy their documents before reaching immigration in Dublin airport.


    2500 Georgians, 1500 Somalians, 1200 Algerians so far this year.

    Georgia is considered a safe country on the list.


    We know nothing about these peoples backgrounds.


    We are screwed.

    What the hell are we playing at??????



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,913 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Maybe he was related to that prince, or maybe he knows about nigerians using Ireland as a money laundering base with no consequences.



  • Registered Users Posts: 480 ✭✭getoutadodge


    Its a money racket. Hoteliers hiring fake TEFL students on slave wages for staff... to service hotels packed with asylum seekers. A win win!

    ===============

    "Inquiries have also been made about the possibility of accommodating refugees there, similar to a provision at a hotel on Sherkin Island, it's understood."

    "Private sector operators housing Ukranian refugees may see it as a ready-made income stream at a time when the State is struggling to accommodate those fleeing the war in Ukraine. "




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    We need to establish communal dormitory style blocks for those wanting international protection on government land, separate from mainstream society, with State owned/managed businesses nearby to employ/educate these refugees, before they become eligible to join mainstream Irish society, by which point, they would lose their refugee status, and become the same as any other economic migrant. (forgive me for all the commas, haha)

    The problem will continue to grow because nobody is taking a firm stand on the issue, establishing a framework to provide basic protections and standards of living, but avoiding the trap of extending supports that are too generous. Remove the virtuous gesturing, and focus on the hard practicalities involved.

    They're going about it, the way that Irish politicians and councils have always done... lining the pockets of themselves or their friends. Its the reason that small time landlords (single/dual properties) are getting out of the market, but property companies are growing in scope.. As for resentment, that's going to come anyway, due to the recession, and the long-term costs to the economy from all this expenditure over the last two decades. Foreigners are going to be blamed because nobody is ready to deal with the manner our politicians and State officials operate.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,913 ✭✭✭Cordell


    It's a win for the hotels, for the rest of the tourism industry and local businesses it's a loss and possibly permanently damaging. But I guess it's a sacrifice they are willing to make.



  • Registered Users Posts: 480 ✭✭getoutadodge


    Very True. But the hoteliers sure trousered the VAT reduction rapid while gouging this summer season after previously gouging the locals during the Covid travel ban. The asylum racket guarantees 100% occupancy year round. Plus they get to claim they're great humanitarians to boot. Philanthropy for profit.



  • Registered Users Posts: 287 ✭✭Freight bandit


    Helen said it was Irelands "next chapter" and to "bring their culture with them".....she's overdid it on the woke sauce...and the seeds we've sown are already starting to bear fruit...



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭1800_Ladladlad


    The news about Ireland being a soft touch on illegal immigration has spread and as we can see all sorts are now flocking to the country. 10,000+ asylum applications so far this year (end of September), compared with 3,000-4,000 applications in previous years. Up until the end of August that number was 8,892. 40% of people claiming asylum are destroying their passports because they know there are no repercussions for doing so. This isn't news to most of us on this thread. People who are destroying their passports to hide their identities should never be allowed to remain as a matter of national security. Only criminals would destroy their legal documents. The only logical resolution should be for them to be returned to the Country of flight origin government itself admits this system is being abused, and yet the taxpayer is paying for the legal fees, for hotel rooms all in order to house illegal immigrants for up to a year. I don't know whether they are just f*cking thick or doing this deliberately.

    One-seventh of the hotels in the country are being used to house asylum seekers and refugees. turning Ireland into one big direct provision center. The government seems to be ignoring a warning from the UN refugee agency that the country is over-reliant on hotels to house refugees. The national sports campus in Blanchardstown is now a refugee center. Where many kids use to all sorts of activities, that venue is now unavailable to them. Also there is not a single Ukrainian amongst them as the msm all reported in sync

    As the Ukrainian Premier League is set to return for the first time since the invasion and Ukraine managing their ongoing 2030 joint world cup bid Ireland has received 54,771 Ukraine refugees, of which just 1,000+ arrived last week alone. Meanwhile, Latvia is putting a halt to taking in more because their cities cannot afford it. How is it that Ireland can afford it? A couple of thousand off of a million on hospital waiting lists, housing, and a national debt of €47,000+ debt per person. Latvia's debt per person in €5,509. The Budget will see Ireland's overseas development assistance increase to its highest-ever level of €1.22 billion. And all provided by a bankrupt country with one of the highest debt per capita in the EU. As of [30/9/22] 10,805 people in emergency accommodation. 1,485 families of which 55% (814) were single-parent families. Showing a 32% increase from a year ago (8,212 in August 2021). In Ireland, Charity really never begins at home!

    What's being done to Ireland is abhorrent!!!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,527 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump


    Great post, but nothing will change, it's all about looking good on the world stage, politician's lining their pockets while kicking the can down the road, and leaving the next crowd to clean up. Proper **** mess!



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 76,130 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Eircom_Sucks threadbanned



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,781 ✭✭✭mohawk


    Destroying your documents sets off alarm bells. If your fleeing persecution then don’t you need to provide proof of who you are and why you need protection?? How do we know people are who they say they are? Does this happen in other countries that you can arrive and have no documents and be looked after by that country??



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,527 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump


    I'd imagine they would be quickly booted out if they tried that in other countries, Ireland is an extremely soft touch, and they know it too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,781 ✭✭✭mohawk


    We don’t really deport people or reject many asylum applications so why the need to destroy your ID?? Your going to be allowed stay here anyway so it seems like an unnecessary step.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,328 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    We have no idea of these peoples past.


    Yet they are let in and allowed roam freely around society.



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    It's more to do with the Asylum claim process and the supports provided, rather than being identified as a refugee, who (before Ukraine) didn't get much help. Having documentation makes it easier for you to be tracked, whereas if you're from a country with less than stellar State offices, or corruption, then for the Irish State it can be a rather long time tracking down details, if they manage at all.

    Economic migrants can be refused entry into Ireland... those without visas. So it boils down to the Asylum/refugee applications.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    207,843 new PPS numbers issued.

    47,395 Irish

    50,482 Ukrainians

    109,966 unknown nationality.

    And some people are still wondering why we have a G.P, Hospital Capacity, Housing And alot more crisis in the country.

    It's the people who are supposed to be caring for the country are intent on destroying it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,781 ✭✭✭mohawk


    I think this is why a conversation about immigration is important to have as a country. It should not be something swept under the carpet. The politicians have decided on how to proceed and don’t care to listen to any dissent on the matter.

    Lots of industries are heavily reliant on workers from overseas. Some immigrants are very dependent on the state for additional support and many others aren’t as they are high earners. There are other categories of immigrants too but we have less control over those numbers.

    At a very basic level what is the effect of the quality of life in Ireland as you increase the population? There are those that say that immigration only has positives, but realistically capacity in healthcare, schools, infrastructure has to increase too all while trying to meet climate change targets.

    Can we keep up with increasing demand on services and our infrastructure. Our healthcare system is a classic example. It has a limited capacity and on paper it’s easy say build a new hospital and hire more healthcare staff, however we know they are struggling to recruit and new facilities take a long time to build.

    It’s very easy say Ireland is a wealthy country and we can afford to keep increasing the population, but we are heavily indebted and there are definitely big problems in this country with healthcare and housing already.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,913 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Lots of industries are heavily reliant on workers from overseas

    There are different types, some like the tech sector who are bringing in highly skilled highly paid migrants which is fine (up to a point) but some others who can't survive (or so they claim) without low skilled low paid imported workforce should not be allowed to do so. And what we definitely don't need is so many non european taxi drivers and delivery persons.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,992 ✭✭✭conorhal


    While they like to give the impression that most of the tech jobs created here are highly paid, I can assure you that the tech sector is also chock full of low paid foreign workers. I was chatting to a couple from Portugal on holidays that had been working for Google in Dublin. They were doing sales/marketing and software localization for them while making 24k a year until they upped sticks and moved home because they just couldn't afford to live here anymore. There's tons of foreign nationals in places like Pay pal and google doing crap jobs for no money. For every highly paid Cisco network architect or software engineer these companies hire there are ten people doing low level stuff on poor pay because they can answer the phone in farsi or Portugese.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,913 ✭✭✭Cordell


    I can assure you that the tech sector is also chock full of low paid foreign workers...For every highly paid Cisco network architect or software engineer these companies hire there are ten people doing low level stuff on poor pay

    I don't know how true that is, I'm not saying it isn't, but if it is it's indeed a problem.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,663 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    There were 58,443 births in Ireland in 2021, so say the 47,395 Irish issued with PPS numbers so far in 2022 are new births...

    Going by current trends, there will have been more Ukrainian refugees who have entered Ireland this year than Irish people who have been born. And I’m not even getting into the replacement rate - births minus deaths...

    And that’s just Ukrainians, another 109,996 were of unknown nationality.

    Irish people really will be a minority soon in this country.

    Post edited by DebDynamite on


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,646 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    The figures at the moment are alarming.

    We are in serious trouble here. When is the government going to wake up?



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