Public Pay Talks - see mod warning post 4293

You think I am demonising you? You're the on on here trying to put guilt on your colleagues.

Ironic that you'd think about your own personal circumstances when making decisions about pay and conditions despite your assertations that back in the day the unions worked toward a collective good (they still do).

How exactly were the members "more focused" back in the day? Me hole they were. It's the same factors that fed into their decision making processes.

I believe given the current circumstances in the wider economy, a 6.5 percent pay deal for myself and a higher percentage for lower paid workers, on top of the 3 odd percent that was already agreed, as well as changes to tax bands, assistance with electricity bills etc and a timeframe to begin negotiation the next deal of H2 2023 is as good an outcome as can REALISTICILLY be expected given the wider economic climate. I make no apologies for that.

Would a few days strike bring about a better package to keep the minority (like yourself), some of whom won't outline exactly what a "better package" is actually result in a significantly better deal - the unions don't appear to think so and neither do I.

The mental gymnastics on show here this afternoon are astounding.

Some "negotiation" when they agree to deal after deal which leaves us worse off.

It is a good deal in the present climate. Private sector employees have a totally different set of metrics that come into play when negotiating their pay.

I don't think you appreciate the absolute **** storm that awaits may private sector employees over the next 6-12 months and for someone who cares about others so much, I am surprised.

If we get another 7.5 percent pay rise next year for the following 18 months on top of the same or similar taxation changes, 600 towards energy bills etc I don't think there would be anyone complaining, well maybe there would.

And again I ask you for specifics as to what would make you happy. I think I've asked you a few times but no dice.

For clerical officers. It has been Loueze's main objective since the first page

Can someone help me out here. What was Loueze looking for earlier in the thread?

This is getting really personal and you're totally misrepresenting that poster in my opinion.

We know why Loueze (and I) are less than happy with this 'deal', but why are you not happy? You've got what you wanted but still you're like a dog with a bone.

The reality is that anything less than inflation is a pay cut. Maybe the private sector is getting raises less than inflation as well but I assume the government and unions have those numbers.

6.5% over two years is a long way short of inflation though.

I don't think you appreciate what a pay cut is.

There are very few if any people getting payrises to match inflation. Do people in the public sector really think those in the private sector get payrises to come close to matching inflation? Do they not appreciate that security of tenure is a considerable benefit to have in uncertain times?

Do they really think private sector employers just throw money around the place?

Ill let the other posters decide if I've misrepresented you.

I didn't attack you at all-indeed I would be concerned if you'd think that anything posted by an anonymous stranger on a forum could be construed as an 'attack'. I stated your position (from what you have told us yourself) and refuted a number of claims you have made about union members in the past and current union members based on comments you have made yourself.

It's fine on your high horse up there claiming to look out for the lower paid staff who report to you but when challenged on whether that is true the facts point to something entirely different.

You made decisions in your past based on your own personal circumstances (stated a number of posts ago) and continue to knock people who have done the same in the past number of weeks, yet still can live with it enough to continue working where you are.

That's what's pathetic.