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Harrassed by Garda taking a photo

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    Maybe next time proceed to give the homeless guy a €20 note instead of using him for free for your personal gratification.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,903 ✭✭✭John_Rambo


    On a side note, Anytime I've asked a Gardai for a photo/portrait (including one for an online & regular exhibition) they've always been super cool. I get the impression they're told it's a good idea to be agreeable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,380 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    But you have no problem watching the news or reading the paper which contains many examples of photography with no permission from the subject...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,600 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    We’re they wearing their hats? It’s very important that they wear their hats.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]



    Seems to be to be quite reasonable for members of An Garda Siochana to keep an eye on someone who clearly appeared to them to be behaving in a suspicious manner. In common with every sensible citizen of this great country of ours, I laud them for their professionalism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,532 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    Usually there is a news story and people are aware of journalists and that things are being recorded. Or it's some kind of feel good crowd, group picture, where no one is specifically being targeted.

    But to wander around directly taking pictures of people without their permission is entitled, ignorant of the targets feelings, concerns, right to privacy and it's just creepy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 89 ✭✭triddles


    Haha He was perfectly entitled to do what he did. Christ the absolute snowflakes on here.





  • my opinion on this (not that anyone asked but), is that while it may be legal it doesn’t make it okay. It’s just not cool to take pictures of folks if they don’t want to be. I wouldn’t like you taking mine. Maybe it’s not illegal, fair enough, but human decency it’s necessarily restricted to what is or isn’t legal. If it were me I’d just delete it if they’re clearly uncomfortable because it’s not worth the aggro. Seems to me that maybe you need to have a think about things that may be legal, but regardless might upset you & realise that just because you can doesn’t mean you should.





  • Entitled? By that logic the Garda is entitled to ask that his privacy he respected & he’s entitled to do his job without unnecessary photo shoots. As I said before, it might well be legal, but that’s an irrelevance.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 89 ✭✭triddles


    You and everybody are entitled to take a photo of anybody in a public place. Course its not an irrelevance. Snowflakes the lot of ya. Is the word PUBLIC lost on people? There is no right to privacy in a PUBLIC place. Jesus it isnt a hard concept to grasp.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,856 ✭✭✭Allinall


    What do you think of the OP claiming they were harassed by the Garda?


    Does that make them a snowflake?



  • Registered Users Posts: 89 ✭✭triddles




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,729 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Hiding behind the “it’s legal” is nonsense. He was being a nuisance and being antagonistic.. and then he comes on moaning about it



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭El Tarangu


    If you took a photo of friends/family in public park (for example), and I happened to be wandering around in the vicinity, would you accede to my request to demand to see your phone so that the photos could be deleted, or would you tell me to go and swivel?



  • Registered Users Posts: 89 ✭✭triddles


    He wasnt being antagonistic. He has a right to take a photo of anybody in a PUBLIC place. Legality aside. Common sense. PUBLIC place vs right to privacy. Hmm. I do agree about the moaning though , in no way was he harrased.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,729 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    It’s the complete opposite of common sense, as well as a lack of manners to be taking photos of people in public places the way he was.

    some stranger takes a deliberate foto of me, or my children in a public place and he/she is being challenged, and go t fcuk with any legal gick



  • Registered Users Posts: 89 ✭✭triddles




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,729 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    No. Not a hard man. What a stupid response.

    I’m walking in a public place and a stranger comes up to me and takes my foto, and I challenge him on this. And you come back with your gick



  • Registered Users Posts: 89 ✭✭triddles


    How you going to challenge him? He has the law on his side. You have nothing on yours.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,729 ✭✭✭✭walshb




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  • Registered Users Posts: 89 ✭✭triddles


    Ah yes I think when you have nothing to say you have lost the argument. Well done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,729 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    You lost the argument with your “hard man” crap.



  • Registered Users Posts: 89 ✭✭triddles


    You were the one acting the hard man. Let it be known publicly for all to see , you had no answer to "How you going to challenge him? He has the law on his side. You have nothing on yours." I bid you adieu.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,729 ✭✭✭✭walshb




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,023 ✭✭✭Princess Calla



    If someone has their DSLR out and it's fairly obvious they are trying to take a posed photo of family/friends it's abit of a d!CK move to be prancing around in the background so in that instance I wouldn't no.

    However if you spotted me taking a picture of you as the sole subject of the photo and you challenged me then yes I would.

    Though tbh I've never taken pictures of any strangers in public. Whether I have the legal right to or not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    That's what you call "being harassed" .

    If that experience left you very intimidated, I bet there are ways how to get help...and don't forget to record all of it.

    Public "have a right" to know all of it.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,821 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    Interesting how little comment there is on the fact the Guard directly lied to the OP twice (you can't even pretend he did it unknowingly since he didn't challenge the OP at all on it).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,600 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    If I was on the street and some complete stranger pulled out his phone/camera whatever and took my photo I certainly wouldn’t like it and he’d be lucky to have it intact when he got home. It’s a scummy thing to do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,420 ✭✭✭chewed


    It's hard to believe this thread is part of the Photography forum. Has no one here ever looked at street photography photos? Or taken a photo with strangers in it (maybe not intentionally)? Many of them are candid shots of people going about their business. Using the word "scummy" is way over the top here.

    I didn't come on here to moan. I was lied to twice by a Gard and asked 2 simple questions to ensure I was right in my answers back to him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 513 ✭✭✭The DayDream


    Friend of mine did the exact same thing when walking home, because the gardai were slamming the drunk/homeless man up and down on the footpath.

    The gardai approached him similarly, he put his phone away but was rugby tackled and handcuffed. Brought to the station where they dragged him along the ground and slammed him up and down on the floor while handcuffed. Left him in the cell for the night and then charged with public order offense in the morning. He fought it in court, the judge took the gardai's side and fined him 300 euro.

    So I wouldn't be crying over a few dirty looks. They absolutely hate being photographed or video'd though IMO should all have to wear body cams anyway.

    And while it's true they should have zero expectation of privacy in public, if they decide to act in the manner in OP or in the case above, good luck fighting it. They get away with a lot.

    One last thing: his card was marked after that they stopped him several times afterwards walking home at night to harass him.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,600 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    I would never dream of taking out my camera/phone and pointing it at a complete stranger doing their job without asking them first. These people were working, not entertaining on the street. Totally scummy thing to do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,729 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    You weren’t innocently taking street fotos, or were you?

    I interpreted it that you went out of your way to target gardai by deliberately photographing them in the course of their duty.

    They reacted, as pretty much most people would, yet you’re throwing out the “I did nothing illegal” nonsense, so this means they had to just grin and bear it? Utter nonsense. You were being a nuisance here, and as well as that, any persons could well have viewed your actions as deliberately hostile and intimidatory; so your nothing illegal angle here is bull.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    It could be just because any muppet these days is gonna take a shot or a video of you, post it online without any context of to what you were actually doing, than add up some bs on the top of it and before you know you'll be all over the News...

    Well that's the way I see it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,600 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    What is 'suspicious' about taking photographs or video of a public incident like this please?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,113 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    An expectation of a right to privacy in a public place - only in Ireland...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,729 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    This is exactly the obtuse nonsense view here. Trying to lump in all examples as being the same. The OP here was being a nuisance. It’s not even about anyone’s right to privacy.

    It’s about common courtesy, decency and respect. Most people don’t go around targeting others to video or photograph in order to satisfy whatever agenda is going on in their heads.

    And the vast majority people would absolutely not want themselves being deliberately videoed or photographed by strangers. And hiding behind the stranger “is doing nothing illegal” only highlights an ignorance of the bigger picture, pardon the pun.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    An expectation that the Gardai would leave a busybody unobserved after he (or she) is seen behaving in a suspicious manner - only in Ireland!

    Tell you what, bozo, next time you're strolling on the public highway past a halting site, or sauntering down the Boardwalk watching the druggies, just whip out your camera and take a few snaps Then come back here and let us know what happens next. (Probably worth making sure that your medical insurance is up to date first. And probably advisable to wear a pair of tight jocks in order to ensure that your camera isn't inserted somewhere uncomfortable!)



  • Registered Users Posts: 984 ✭✭✭Still stihl waters 3


    That's different, a Garda or any public servant going about their job in a public place can and should expect interaction with the public that the majority of people wouldn't have to, Garda should be more up to date on the laws regarding photography in public places, I expect the guard knew this but chanced his arm anyway



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,494 ✭✭✭pgj2015


    The laws should be changed so that you cant take photos of people doing their jobs in public or of people who aren't doing anything illegal.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,077 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Many people take photographs. The take generic photographs of a crowd scene at a match or of people listening to a busker on the street

    If you take a direct photograph of an individual for no reason, whether it's the fat lady walking the dog or the lad stumbling after a few pints then there is an invasion of privacy.

    I have a huge issue with the thinking that people are entitled to take photographs of people who have to work.in a public place whether it's a parking warden, a TV licience inspector, a clamper or a Garda etc.

    Most people taking these photos are doing so with phones and I tend to publish on social media. These people have rights that there jobs will not follow them around when they are not working

    If you intended to use those photos on social media, the Garda had every right to challenge you over it. He just used the wrong terminology . He should have warned you that you had personal data belong to him and he did not want it posted on social media.

    Most idiots think they have no responsibility after taking a photo, they are not in charge of data and are responsible for what happens to that data.

    The question is why did you take the photograph and what was your plan to do with it.

    Was it to sell it to a newspaper fair enough and if the published it then it's there responsibility

    Was it to make a complaint to the Garda ombudsman or a senior Garda officer?

    Or was you intention to publish on social media?

    This is becoming more and more of an issue. People post the picture of the fat lady with a comment or the person a bit tipsy. It was Nomai Campbell I think that won damages against a newspaper because they photographed her entering a drink/ drugs rehabilitation meeting.

    No worker carrying out there job should be photographed where the dole intention is to intimidate them.

    There is right to privacy and not to be harassed or intimidated especially if you are going about your job

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,600 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Being a busybody is not a crime. The role of Gardai is to stop crime. They don't get to police behaviour that you or they don't like. They only get to police behaviour that breaks the law. Taking photo or video of a Garda operation in a public place is not a crime.

    There is no right to privacy in a public place. Taking photo or video of a Garda operation is not harassment or intimidation. There is no requirement to get consent to publish a photo on social media. Individuals do not have the same data protection / GDPR obligations as organisations. There is a journalistic exemption within GDPR.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    'Allo 'allo Constible, I see you're 'arassing that chap, pretty please could I photograph you wile you 'arass 'im?




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    You might want to reign in that anger there before you blow a fuse or three.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 10,518 Mod ✭✭✭✭5uspect


    It’s very simple, there is no expectation of privacy in public, even if you’re working. It’s simply unworkable to enforce anything other than this. All dash cams would have to be banned. All street photography would be illegal. You would have to geoblock all smartphones in case someone had the audacity to take a selfie and there’s a delivery driver in the shot behind them. It’s absurd. Go live in North Korea if that’s what you want.

    If you go outside you are going to be seen by hundreds if not thousands of cameras, anyone taking a photograph for some artistic intent or just for fun as part of a hobby is the least of your worries. Google and Facebook know far more about you and you volunteer that data, including all your photos with glee. Claiming that working somehow offers protection to being seen is the same nonsense used to justify idiots who park on the footpath — ‘they’re just trying to do their job’ bollox.

    Photographic and video records of our society are incredibly valuable historical documents of our society A diversity of viewpoints showing all aspects of how we live over the decades, and not just the filtered view of the media and the state are essential to the health of a free society. In particular those that serve the state, especially police, should expect to be observed, recorded, criticised and held to a high standard.

    You are not special, you don’t own the photons bouncing off your face.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    someone who clearly appeared to them to be behaving in a suspicious manner

    Talk about jumping to conclusions!

    There is nothing at all "clear" that the homeless person mentioned in the OP was behaving in a suspicious manner. Quite the opposite, the OP says that the guards were harassing the individual, and then went on to intimidate him/herself.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,729 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Nothing remotely angry about my post at all. Bizarre anyone would interpret it that way. The eff word nothing more than for emphasis.

    On the contrary, the OP seemed irritated/exasperated by it all. I simply pointed out his being a deliberate nuisance.

    so, no fuses blowing with me.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭El Tarangu


    What you just typed has zero basis in any laws in this country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,077 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    The problem is not the taking of the photo it is what is done afterwards. Idiots that have the attitude that there rights trump everybody's else's

    There is no need to stop CCTV or to preventing a person taking general photos. Where in lies the issues is where someone posts these on social media and the conquences. There has been young people who have taken there own lives over posting of photos 'taken in a public place''

    That is where you are incorrect. I guarantee if you posted photos of traffic wardens or TV licience inspectors, LA's and An Post would take action over it and would win those cases in court.

    You are incorrect about there being unlimited freedom to post anything you photograph onto social media. Where that can be construed as an attempt to intimidate those individuals you could be prosecuted.


    On a side not I am amazed at he absolute ignorance of some posters here. They seem to think there is unlimited rights to do what you like. I am appalled that many see people who earn there livelyhood working in public as fair game.

    It's immaterial whether it's a Garda, a clamper, a traffic warden, a Binman, a bouncer at a nightclub etc. They are entitled not to be photographed or videoed and it posted on social media. If they are doing something illegal well and good photo/ film it and report it to the appropriate bodies.

    Most of the so called rights brigade only want to film activity where they see a perceived wrong doing by a person who is a person providing or enforcing an activity.

    Most would p!ss on themselves if they had to do that work. It easily shown by the way a snowflake started this thread

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭handlemaster


    Is there wheres Ireland going .like america.. what next you will be taking pictures of emergency personnel helping at an accident scene.. It maybe within the law tp take the photo, but would you want someone taking photos of you while you work ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,023 ✭✭✭Princess Calla


    Would you like your photo being taken if you were the person in the accident or family member?

    It was only a few weeks ago a poor woman took her life after being filmed in public.



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