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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    there are some pretty vile comments there but didn’t the Irish Times poll show that a pretty definitive majority of the country wanted a limit it on Ukranian refugees? And some countries have withdrawn welfare support or closed the door completely. So I think anyone wanting to leave is running out of places to go



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,600 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    The Russians are probably attacking Zaporizhzhia trying to create political conditions to goad the Ukrainians to move the men they are gathering in that region and pull resources from other fronts. It does not make sense to target civilian population otherwise. The same pressure was felt by the English politicians in WW II when the Germans started firing the buzz bombs. Resources had to be deployed by the English to manage the problem. The goal at this stage combined with the added nuclear threat seems to be buy time until the men from the mobilisation can be deployed at scale between January and April next year. Most analysis of their failures with their established doctrine of battalion tactical groups sees to point to the lack of infantry to protect their formations opening up sucessful attacks by the Ukrainians using shoulder launched missiles in the initial phase of the war.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 36,082 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Ukrainians fight like warriors in the battlefield, Putin bombs pensioners sitting at home in their apartments.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭threeball


    Russians don't do shame unfortunately. It's either nationalist fervor or complete apathetic resignation. Shame doesn't enter the equation.



  • Registered Users Posts: 332 ✭✭Slava_Ukraine




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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,776 ✭✭✭zv2


    ...


    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,839 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I don't think it matters how many men Russia mobilises if it cannot properly equip them, feed them and motivate them. That's really the question for Russia - are they all chassis and no engine?

    And even then, Ukraine continue to receive armaments and training, so if one wants to say that the Russians will be looking better after Christmas, this will also be true of the Ukrainian military.

    The Russians can try to reform their military in order to correct their losses - OK, but I propose that in the middle of a war, under heavy sanction from the West and selling cheap oil to the Chinese isn't the best time to do it. Some people thought that Trump was smart by constantly sacking members of his cabinet - using that businesslike scythe until he'd assembled that perfect team. Turns out he just kept sacking people until the end. I think the same will be true of Putin and his sacking of military generals. He's sacked something like half a dozen of his top brass since the start of this, with Shoigu being the latest.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,600 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    It's a war. Attacking civilians creates political pressure on the Ukrainian politicians to respond. At this stage the Russians game is buy time, regroup apply the lessons and apply the tactics properly (if they can). Ukraine (or the West) does not have unlimited resources in the field, Russian army don't want Ukrainians concentrating their resources. Why use drone attacks from Belarus and the threat of incursion, if only to tie down Ukrainian man power.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,226 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Agreed but I presume you don't think that Ukraine should attack targets within internationally recognised Russian territory, bar some military supply depots near the border etc. It must be pretty tempting to deliver a bit of retribution on a Russian town or city and give Russian citizens a taste of their own medicine. But that would strain the co-operation with and supply of arms and intel from the 'west'. So it's a no go at the moment. Crimea and anywhere in the Donbas are fair targets though.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,026 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    The problem is seeing Russian actions as “retaliation” for Ukrainian actions. They’re not. Russia’s actions in Ukraine are unilateral and without justification. They’re not bombing apartment blocks because their illegal bridge was hit. They’re bombing them because they’re using terrorism - in the purest sense of the word - as a state military tactic. But they’ll do that regardless of what Ukraine do.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It was obviously the Russians themselves. Another false flag like them bombing the nuclear plant, the Nord Stream 2 pipeline etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,839 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Not only that, but it would be a net PR loss to hit a Russian city or town just because. You give Putin an easy thing to rattle the sabre over and Ukraine's moral high ground gets a shade lower.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,776 ✭✭✭zv2


    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,026 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    Ukraine’s broader interests are currently certainly best served by limiting their action to their own territory and targets causing them immediate danger (such as supply lines and depots) in nearby Russian territory. But that’s really only because of the pragmatic considerations of trying to keep a varying and disparate coalition of allies on side, rather than any consideration for Putin’s feelings.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    At the meeting with head of Russian investigative committee Putin accused Ukrainian special services in explosion at Crimean bridge


    in other news the pot called the kettle black

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users Posts: 332 ✭✭Slava_Ukraine


    Ah, that was satisfying, taking however long it took you to type that reply out of your day.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    The Russian ombudsman for human rights was complaining the bridge attack may have breached Russian citizens human rights



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,106 ✭✭✭pcardin


    I wouldnt bet on that. One needs a shame installed in first place to carry for generations. Russians are not known for shame.



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,423 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    This is the hubris of any state that considers itself 'Exceptional'

    They can dish it out without batting an eyelid, but if anyone dares to strike back, they complain that they are being treated unfairly or accuse the others of being terrorists.

    American does it, the British did it, the Russians do it etc



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,600 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande



    Their logistics is atrocious considering they are right next door. Lessons from the front and Ukrainians tactics will be taught to the mobilised men, important issues like how to stay alive and do the maximum damage. They will revert to the proper application of their tactics with new adaptations. Over the next few months the Russians will keep degrading Ukrainian civil infrastructure, their own heartland is not impacted. The equipment only needs to be good enough. Their issue will be the quality of the ammunition will eventually get down to the stuff that does not work or explodes when you handle it, so there is an incentive to bring this to a halt before next Autumn.

    There are also the issues of how the Winter plays out in the United States (November elections, lame duck president, domestic leftist violence, lack of support for the war, the war hawks in the Republican party have been stymied, their voters are not interested) and Europe (a collapse of German industry due to the pursuit of Green energy policies over he last two decades, bought forward by the shutdown of Russian energy supplies), coupled with financial instability across the EU and other elections.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,776 ✭✭✭zv2


    These crazies are living in the most remote corner of the non-existent multiverse.

    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,776 ✭✭✭zv2


    Whataboutery writ large-

    Journalist Luke Harding described Russian whataboutism as "practically a national ideology".[21] Writing for Bloomberg NewsLeonid Bershidsky called whataboutism a "Russian tradition",[22] while The New Yorker described the technique as "a strategy of false moral equivalences".[23] Julia Ioffe called whataboutism a "sacred Russian tactic",[24][25] and compared it to accusing the pot of calling the kettle black.[26]

    Whataboutism - Wikipedia

    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,075 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    The right track look to be buckled.

    They must have run the train on the left one.




  • Registered Users Posts: 8,520 ✭✭✭jmreire


    I don't think that the truck was involved. Its presence was purely accidental. There are simply too many "links" in the chain to make it work. And believe me, Russians check everything (especially trucks) going on to that bridge.



  • Registered Users Posts: 36,082 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Going frame by frame one sees the start or the explosion, it's here in this screen grab I took ,the white haze you see on screen, that's a microsecond into the explosion and as you see all the trucks look fine.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,839 ✭✭✭✭briany


    This stuff about Russia adapting assumes that Ukraine won't be able to do the same and are just static in their ability. Ukraine continues to get NATO-spec weapons and training. If Russia's armoury has to be be 'good enough', it must be good enough to match that, and this is a country which is under heavy sanction.

    Does Russia actually have until next Autumn to prosecute this war? Or more to the point, does Putin have that time? Already there have been protests over mobilisation, hundreds of thousands of men fleeing the country to avoid conscription and even Putin's top propagandists bemoaning the state of things on the battlefield.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,626 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    I may be jumping ahead here, but if/when Putin kicks it, there is an unspoken reality that the media hasn't really tackled yet. Who replaces him?

    When Putin came in to power, he was a bit of a hero to Russian people, both on the left and right. He rescued the economy. He also did something that very few world leaders have done - appealed to both the right and the left.

    There is a school of thought that Putin is a gatekeeper of right wing extremism. He keeps the wildest ones at bay while entertaining and promoting their views.

    Here's the thing. He's currently surrounding himself with those right wing nutcases as he regularly goes through sacking his staff. That new head of operations being an example. As we know, many of his supporters are pushing for extreme response with Ukraine up to and including nukes.

    So when Putin does go - either when he kicks it or by way of political coup, who will take over? Its usually the opposition that rallies a coup. But in this case they're all either in prison or fired. If the coup comes from within the right wing element in the Kremlin, well that could make things worse for everyone.

    This is all armchair speculation of course but important to long term security none the less.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,968 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Video of a screen playing the video is not a proper way to analyse this stuff. Even if you had the original file, they way video compression works can result in frames having the content of previous frames for some areas instead of what is actually happening.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    This is what I was saying earlier today there's a definite flash comes across from the rail side and the trucks looks pretty much intact as the explosion engulfs the bridge, where if a bomb exploded inside the truck it would be torn to piece immediately as the explosion went off



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