Gangland Shootings part 4 - Read OP before posting - updated 30/12/23

Sunday Times article today about John 'Spud' Murphy

https://twitter.com/JohnDoy38195851/status/1579059855997865984

Irish Indo on same

https://twitter.com/JohnDoy38195851/status/1578960984567607296/photo/1

Irish Indo on Dowdall

https://twitter.com/JohnDoy38195851/status/1578960936865796096/photo/1

Good point. You're right, a jury trial might increase the chances of a miscarriage of justice and see him get away with it. SCC is the best place for it.

Can't help but think that the Hutch Crime Gang is a misnomer. It seems a loose grouping of people from NIC. If you're not a Kinahan associate and you are a criminal you are likely a Hutch associate. But they as often as not all seem drug addicts with 100+ convictions who often do penny ante crimes (badly). There's one figure a non family member who people on this board seem to think is a cut above. How true that is I don't know. Some on this board as best I recall have suggested that person does their own thing which might explain their apparent 'success.'

Harry Hutch seems/seemed to be one of the top 5/6 associates. Was Gareth Hutch active after he got off the Lucan armed robbery ? Bouncer Hutch died nearly 20 years ago (at 25) of an overdose. Until he was in court the other day Del Boy was usually said to be 37. In his court appearance he was described as 39. He was in prison from 2009-2021 so depending on his age he was away at 25/27. Imagine he was active from 16 or so. Leave it to others to describe the significance of what he might have got up to from 2000 or so to 2009. Wondered if Donna Hutch was a Finglas Hutch but does seem to be Monk’s niece- but no idea who her parents are. 400+ convictions

Didnt flatcap not bother with a disguise as he was dying?? Like terminal??

The regency did seem like amateur hour.

Surely would have been easier to take them out when they were in a vehicle.

That was a serious operation to do, mistakes made but hardly amateur hour, movie level stuff

John Murphy was the leader of that gang.his brother Lenny did the lifting

"Justice" came for Murphy's right have man Robert Basher Bates, who lead murders in Murphy's stead during his stint in prison, in a weird way, and that in itself nearly started a feud

"October 1996, 18 months prior to the signing of the Good Friday Agreement, Bates was cleared for early release by the Life Sentence Review Board. He was given the opportunity of participating in a rehabilitation scheme, spending the day on a work placement and returning to prison at night.[12] As he arrived for work in his native Shankill area of Belfast early on the morning of 11 June 1997,[13] Bates was shot dead by the son of a UDA man he had killed in 1977.[14] The killer identified himself to Bates as the son of his victim before opening fire.[15] Bates had been working at the Ex-Prisoners Interpretative Centre (EPIC), a drop-in centre for former loyalist prisoners.[4]

Bates's killing had not been sanctioned by the UDA leadership but nevertheless they refused to agree to UVF demands that the killer should be handed over to them, instead exiling him from the Shankill. He was rehoused in the Taughmonagh area where he quickly became an important figure in the local UDA as a part of Jackie McDonald's South Belfast Brigade.[16]

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Jackie McDonald

Returning to his role as brigadier after Kerr defected to the Loyalist Volunteer Force (LVF) group which was founded by Billy Wright in 1996, McDonald found himself in 1997 facing the possibility of a loyalist feud with the local Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF), with whom he had previously been on good terms. In June 1997, the son of murdered UDA man, James Curtis Moorehead, shot and killed his father's killer, the UVF's Robert "Basher" Bates (who was also part of the Shankill Butchers gang, led by Lenny Murphy), leading to the Shankill Road UDA "exiling" the young killer to Taughmonagh. UVF members began to prowl McDonald's Taughmonagh stronghold looking for the killer, and a clash between the Donegall Pass UVF and the Sandy Row UDA looked imminent as relations deteriorated both in South Belfast and throughout Northern Ireland as a whole. McDonald did not want a war with the UVF and, according to authors Henry McDonald and Jim Cusack, ultimately negotiated a settlement whereby the killer would be housed on the edge of Taugmonagh and told to keep a low profile"

He hasn't gone mad. They're on an FBI watch list. That means its a criminal offense for any US citizen or bank to deal with them, even indirectly. It also means that banks are filing reports, to cover their arses.

If you think a low level bank clerk in Ireland, the US or anywhere is going to chance even the slightest possibility of ruining their career or doing bird for not reporting a transaction or account, then tis you that has gone mad.

Over the water the British gangster Billy Hill was associated with ‘ project crimes’ from the ‘50s. If you look at a range of crimes from the Great Train Robbery to Hatton Garden the more people that are involved the more likely there’s a conviction. In Ireland the Northern Bank robbery is an outlier- was there the political will to solve it ? The 1980s/ 1990s robberies that the Monk didn’t organise were done in an analogue age. The last ‘work’ I remember involving a lot of people that was a ‘success’ - was the tiger kidnapping Gary Hutch was involved with. The Regency was for that world stupid & over complicated. Why did one or two guys on a bike not do it instead ?

Sure they did attempt to take out the monk in Lanzarote but the gunmen were spotted and he fled the pub.