Covid vaccines - thread banned users in First Post

Do you consult with the food safety board every time you buy something new from the supermarket? No. This is because you trust the food regulators and science. You don't have silly irrational beliefs about food safety. You are using the normal rational side of your brain.

People were recommended to check with their GP before taking the vaccine if they had an underlying condition. For normal people, that wasn't a requirement (although they still could).

I defer to the consensus. I look at what all surgeon generals and equivalent health professionals are saying, not just one.

But why should we trust his opinion over other experts?

You guys have been asserting without evidence that all other experts are either incompetent or part of a conspiracy.

And again, you're demanding an answer to a question after how many questions you've dodged, avoided and ignored?

Ok. So the Florida guidance is the correct one according to yourself.

What's the guidance in the rest of the other 49 states. Why are they wrong?

Do you not remember the last time you spamed a link and a quote like this? You spend pages and pages harping on about how your graph and your study proved that the vaccines were causing negative effectiveness among other things. You kept spamming the same picture and quote over and over. But then you dropped that line and vanished without comment about what the people who actually made that graph said.

The above is an example of what I'm referring to and why context is important.

The context:

Note the part of that statement you didn't bold:

"With a high level of global immunity to COVID-19, the benefit of vaccination is likely outweighed by this abnormally high risk of cardiac related death among men in this age group. The State Surgeon General now recommends against the COVID-19 mRNA vaccines for males ages 18-39 years old. "

We are at a late stage in the pandemic, a significant portion of the population is vaccinated or has had the virus. That's important.

Secondly, this is one state out of 50 states.

Thirdly, I don't think I need to point out that Florida is well known for it's politics over science issues.

Number four, it's apparently based on this: https://floridahealthcovid19.gov/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/20221007-guidance-mrna-covid19-vaccines-analysis.pdf?utm_medium=email&utm_source=govdelivery which is preliminary data and doesn't paint a very compelling picture either way

Number five. There have been 17,000 deaths among 18-39 year old males in the US from Covid, many of whom were unvaccinated. I'm not seeing a correspondingly high number or any significant number of myocarditis deaths https://data.cdc.gov/widgets/9bhg-hcku

Is this a country saying vaccines are safe? No. It's one state out of 50 making the controversial decision, at this very late stage in the pandemic, that a certain age group of a certain sex is not recommended to get the vaccine as a very tiny number of them may get a myocarditis vs a very tiny number of them at risk of dying from Covid.

This is why context is important.

Lol desperate attempt to avoid all of dohnjoe's points.

You and your pals have been asked dozens of times that the rate of death from myocraditis is. You avoid giving specifics because you know it would reveal the numbers to be very low and instead rely on vague, but sinister sounding terms like "abnormally high risk". (3 deaths in a million is "abnormally high" when it's something that normally happens once in a million.)

Additionally you anti-vaxxers have repeatedly downplayed and dismissed the millions of deaths caused by covid. They were described at one point by one of your fellows as "a pittance."

No one is fooled by your faux outrage and offense at the notion that there is acceptable risk.

Honestly man, who do you think is going to buy into this tactic?

The only people who will are the other anti-vaxxers you refuse to acknowledge.

Oh gee, well would you look at that

"TALLAHASSEE, Fla. — Florida’s controversial surgeon general announced Monday that the state is breaking with guidance from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and will be the first state in the nation to recommend against giving the Covid-19 vaccines to kids ages 5 and older.

Florida Surgeon General Joseph A. Ladapo, speaking at a roundtable Monday with Gov. Ron DeSantis and medical professionals who oppose much of the CDC’s recommendations, did not elaborate. Two others who participated in the discussion were Jay Bhattacharya, a Stanford University professor of medicine, and biostatistician Martin Kuldorff. Both were the chief signatories of the Great Barrington Declaration, which calls for a hands-off approach toward managing the pandemic and instead advocates for natural “herd immunity.”

"Ladapo in particular has been an outspoken critic of pandemic-era safety measures such as quarantines, wearing face masks and vaccines. DeSantis picked Ladapo to become surgeon general in September, which was three months after the surgeon general petitioned the CDC to withhold giving final authorization to the vaccines without years of clinical studies and trials in June."