Brexit discussion thread XIV (Please read OP before posting)

And while you are at it, perhaps you might also give us a source for your other comments

@FraserburghFreddie "Airbus is part owned by BAE systems,the largest defence contractor in Europe. The wings for all airbus aircraft are manufactured in Broughton and flown to Europe.Production is ramping up there so I'm surprised by your comments that Broughton isn't important."

Yes but you made the statement in response to @Capt'n Midnight who said

Brexit means the UK will no longer be an equal partner. Little things will all add up. If the rover had been built in the US or EU it's much more likely to be used. If it ever comes down to a choice between keeping a function open in the UK or the EU there's no question which is more important politically.

So do you accept the point he made , that little things will add up. Wings for Airbus aircraft are also made in China and i think the US. It is not hard to see in the future a decision to move European manufacturing onto fewer, continental, sites. As he said "If it ever comes down to a choice between keeping a function open in the UK or the EU there's no question which is more important politically"

Very tough for them to move something like that, would take a (political?) catastrophe to even consider shifting it quickly (e.g. an EU-UK trade war that spiralled out of control or some such might do it). A huge amount of inertia to overcome & I imagine Airbus is big enough and what it is making is crucial enough and expensive enough that it can deal with/bear extra admin load and hassle due to Brexit.

You can expect nothing "new" (e.g. new technology needed in future aircraft) will be sited in UK which doesn't need to be.

IMO one effect of Brexit, well maybe more the way UK has conducted it is it will be unlikely the larger EU states will work together on massive joint projects with the UK until there's been a big sea-change in political philosophy over there.

e.g. (new) things on scale of Concorde or the Channel Tunnel or Eurofighter project will not happen again while current rabid anti-EU political mood that's taken hold over in the UK lasts because while UK govt. protests otherwise it can't divorce strategy it has been adopting of undermining and disrupting or even exploding the EU apart from also doing very serious harm to its supposed "friends" in EU member states it would be working with on these projects.

Is there a debate? Who is debating it beyond talking heads on the tv? Among ordinary people they are either Brexiters who will blindly continue the way they are going, or the rest who are fed up with the whole thing and trying to get on with their lives in spite of everything.

Does anything ever come of these investigations in the UK? Will someone lose their job or political position?

This is madness. Though, to be fair, pretty run-of-the-mill madness by the standards of brexitry.

What this means is that, until December 2023 in the case of financial services, and December 2026 for all other industries, nobody knows what regulatory framework is going to be in place. Will the existing framework be retained? Will it be wholly or partly replaced and, if so, with what? And, just to compound matters, will the 2023/2026 deadlines be met or, like virtually every other aspect of Brexit, will they be pushed out time and again as the UK authorities realise that they have committed to unrealistic timeframes for a half-baked project that they have no idea how to implement?

It's deeply ironic that a government that pretends to be committed to growth should commit to a pointless policy whose primary effect will be to create enduring regulatory uncertainty and strongly discourage investment across a wide range of business and commercial sectors.

I doubt they have any intention of abandoning regulations. Its being suggested now, with a long run up, to appease the braindead brexiters. Either a different party will get in and abandon it, proving they are not reliable in terms of Brexit, or the Tories will somehow get back/stay in and gradually water it down before the due date, having cause maximum confusion in the meantime.

It just isn't possible to abandon regulations wholesale - can you imagine the ramshackle buildings that will appear everywhere, the dodgy food and medicines that will be produced, the dangerous cars on the roads, the cowboy electricians that will reappear, the 50 and 60 hour working weeks people will be expected to work. Are they looking to go back to early Victorian levels of adulterated milk from diseased animals, wallpaper and paint that poisons people, and effluent being poured into any handy river? No, that is not project fear stuff, it is precisely what people will do if they can get away with it.

Its like that form you can sign "voluntarily" to waive your right to overtime.

This?

I just in the last few minutes finished watching that and was going to post it! Worth a watch.

That's why I came in here too 😂