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The Pushback against Leftism

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  • Registered Users Posts: 41,062 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Hmmmmm..... did you mention JK Rowling does none of that. You clearly havent been looking lately where she is coming across completely ureasonable and is very much an abusive bully at this stage.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users Posts: 41,062 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    Let's assume that were true. It wouldn't invalidate any of her opinions.

    Again, it's a logical fallacy to assume that by attacking the person you then dismiss their arguments.



  • Registered Users Posts: 41,062 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Yep. Your "side" are perfectly ok to be abusive bullies just because you agree with them.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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  • Registered Users Posts: 41,062 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,393 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Some gay men were born with the wrong brain like that chap, most have LGBTQI+ brains which was discovered in a study in the US. That explains it. Apparently cases of this have risen by 10000% in the last year alone but nonone knows why.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    I wager it's called being polite to the opposition Tends to be only one side that's abusive. 🤔 #Bekind.



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,365 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Well the previousposter seemd to think DeSantis was....

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,960 ✭✭✭Shoog


    Its never polite when your intent is discrimination and hate.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Well I'm sure that those posts have been reported and delt with by the mods ? 🤐



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,425 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,365 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,960 ✭✭✭Shoog


    The feeling would be entirely mutual, but I'm a big boy and can look after myself.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    What's completely unreasonable is that the trans charity in the UK, Mermaids, have reportedly been sending chest-flattening devices to children without parental consent.

    I had never heard of "breast binders" until this came up, and it's appalling that these are the lengths to which "trans charities" act in order to pursue their ideological goals.

    Parental consent must never be up for compromise.

    Mermaids have no right to unilaterally send so-called breast binders to young children - as young as 13 years old, in fact.

    A spokesperson for the commission said: “Concerns have been raised with us about Mermaids’ approach to safeguarding young people.

    “We have opened a regulatory compliance case and have written to the trustees. We now await their reply.”

    According to an investigation by the Daily Telegraph, the charity has been offering binders to children as young as 13 despite their parents saying they opposed the practice.

    Chest binding is opposed by some groups over fears it causes breathing difficulties, back pain and broken ribs.

    Is it any wonder why people think that the far-left have gone too far?

    You appear to be more concerned with Twitter comments made by JK Rowling, but say nothing about what is going on with these charities - and it is by no means limited to the above.

    Tavistock recently went down in a blaze of ignominy over the way they treated children, too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,767 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    The trans issue and how it is debated, especially on Twitter and the like is totally toxic so much so that everyone who weighs in is labelled and this has meant less and less reasonable people weighing in.

    What seems to be lost in it all how much more difficult this environment has made it for trans people; who already have a pretty rough time of it compared to the general population.

    Historically it had been treated as a medical issue by psychotherapists, psychiatrists, endocrinologists etc etc.

    If you do any research on the Tavistock in particular you see what happens when post modernism theory goes unchecked and gets left into hard sciences, medicine etc. For many years professionals in the clinic felt uneasy with how the culture was changed by acceptance of the new gender ideology and the influence of charities on care of patients especially young children.

    The only way humans successfully deal with thorny issues is the appliance of rational thought and the scientific method. This is what Dr Cass's independent review stated.

    "The report said it was clear that “a single specialist provider model is not a safe or viable long-term option in view of concerns about lack of peer review and the ability to respond to the increasing demand”.

    The child health expert also said there were gaps in the evidence-base underpinning “all aspects of gender care for children and young people” in Britain, from assessment to diagnosis, support, counselling and treatment. Her report said the “most significant knowledge gaps” were around the use of puberty blockers and more research was needed in this area."

    Turning your back on science because you are afraid of an extreme vocal discussion shutting down element who have taken over a small movement(who need care and respect) for fear of causing offence has real world consequences.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,275 ✭✭✭km991148


    More sweeping generalisations as per.

    Once again I put it to you that you care very little for the safety of children, despite your constant regurgitation of "think of children" nonsense.

    This article isn't the pushback against the left, it's just more tabloid style sensationalism that a certain cohort get off on.

    Full article here if anyone wants to burn 5 mins

    https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fnews%2F2022%2F09%2F25%2Fexclusive-trans-charity-mermaids-giving-breast-binders-children%2F



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,393 ✭✭✭AllForIt



    OMG, how pathetic is this.

    The first account on the block list is a climate change advocate and wants the UK to rejoin the EU. Pure alt-right stuff I'm sure. Off with her head.

    I'd seen twatters retweet with the message one more to block from time to time and I thought no surely people aren't that sad they spend they day adding twitter addy's to their block list, but yea looks like they do. Maybe this is well known idk, I'm not a big twitter user.

    You'd think they'd know by now cancelling doesn't work. It's like all this is a fun little game for them within their tribe. Not the first time I thought that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,275 ✭✭✭km991148


    The problem here is you seem to be framing those that are "GC" or whatever term you prefer are somehow the only people that are pro the scientific method/generally following some scientific process. This is of course completely false despite the constant attempts by those that share those beliefs to belittle those with different views (language plays an important role here, using words like ideology etc). It becomes particularly comical when the same voices then start going on about biology and further demonstrate how they fail to have even a basic grasp of the subject.

    Of course as someone who presumably believes in scientific techniques you will be happy to allow the assumptions you presented to be challenged.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 358 ✭✭section4


    regardless of the circumstances, she used the same scaremongering as the brexiteers, that’s the reality.



  • Registered Users Posts: 358 ✭✭section4


    The mistake you are making is talking about tories, you know one time the called the snp the Scottish tories ,

    anyway, it’s people who would have been snp supporters that she is alienating , but what would I or thousands of others like me know.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Have you an opinion on 13 year old children being given breast binders by this charity behind the back of their parents - who expressly disapproved of the practice?

    It's alarming but revealing that you'd rather take a swipe at me yet say nothing about the actual subject matter at hand.

    From the link you quoted:

    In an email exchange with an adult posing as a 14-year-old girl wanting to transition to a boy, Mermaids staff agreed to send out a breast binder despite being repeatedly told that the child’s mother would “not allow” it.

    The most comprehensive study of the impact of binders to date has found that more than 97 per cent of people who use them suffer health problems as a result. The study did not look at the impact on under 18s.

    Parents believe that the advice from the charity and the forum has “pushed” their children into believing that they were transgender and led them to want irreversible medical treatment to “cure” their issues.

    If they can block all critical views, it means they have a protective bubble where their beliefs are considered valid and complete. If I were insecure about my personal beliefs, I'd probably do exactly the same thing. But as you say, it's pathetic.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,939 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    It is certainly true to say that the ‘debate’ about whether some people can legitimately exist has made things difficult for trans people.




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You do realise that the common sense positions that I and others put forward here, are arguments used by many trans women who are similarly irked by how a tiny minority of activists (not all of whom are trans) are speaking on absolutely everyone's behalf.

    Are these trans women writing themselves out of existence, too? Or are you using apocalyptic language that has no basis in reality?

    I know which of the two is true.

    And whilst it's always bad when crimes are committed against anyone in society, that doesn't invalidate any of the positions or arguments in this thread (as an aside, that graph is questionable on many obvious levels - even the author of the tweet admits it; that's not how objective science / facts are discerned).



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,767 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    The medical treatment has changed drastically in the past 20 years, so much so that the primary clinic in UK was shut down.

    If you listen to Marcus Evans who worked there for 20 years you'd learn these changes went from primarily non pharma/non medical interventions until there was a comprehensive multidisciplinary review of all patients.

    This changed, and surgery/hormone therapy was given much quicker. Patients also got younger and younger.

    Do you think does kind of clinical changes should only come on the back of best practice and peer reviewed interventions?

    Why do you think it didn't happen here?

    Two posters quoted my post in full but neither challenged the issue of clinic in question and the post modern ideology underpinning modern trans movement.

    Post modern horsh1t is fine for art/music or what have you it'll only cause harm when brought to the real world.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Since 2016, the actual health professionals with an amalgam of decades of experience, kept on resigning from the Tavistock clinic.

    35 resignations in 3-years.

    That's a horrifying rate of attrition of healthcare professionals who presumably left because they felt that what was happening at the clinic was not in the children's best interests.

    A transgender clinic has been hit by 35 resignations in three years, as psychologists warn of “overdiagnoses” of gender dysphoria among children.

    The whistleblowers said too many children were being put on puberty-blocking drugs when they should not have been given the diagnosis.

    Former staff said they were unable to properly assess patients over fears they will be branded "transphobic".

    The concerns were raised by six psychologists who have resigned from London's children's gender-identity service in the past three years.

    One psychologist, who wished to remain anonymous, said: "Our fears are that young people are being over-diagnosed and then over-medicalised.

    "We are extremely concerned about the consequences for young people... For those of us who previously worked in the service, we fear that we have had front row seats to a medical scandal."



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,275 ✭✭✭km991148


    Hard to give an opinion based on sensationalism. Common sense would tell you that, surely?



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,275 ✭✭✭km991148


    I find it hilarious actually that you see yourself as some protector of "common sense" given the lack of evidence of such.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    If there were no evidence, an inquiry would not have been launched. The journalism unearthed to date is alarming - very, very alarming. I'm appalled that you do not appreciate the gravity of the allegations against Mermaids.

    When it comes to the Tavistock clinic, the same kind of denialism was at play from the very outset of the controversy. "Oh but where's the evidence...", they said. We now see how that turned out.

    The record to date isn't good. The record is getting worse.

    Healthcare professionals should not fear performing their medical duty due to the fear of being labelled "transphobic".

    They're called healthcare professionals for a reason. They know better. They know a lot better than the people hurling around labels and abuse.



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