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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,588 ✭✭✭jackboy


    There was a Ukrainian on the radio earlier saying that they have received zero tanks from the west. He also said if they get the right equipment they would win in weeks. They are not getting the game changing weaponry though.



  • Registered Users Posts: 345 ✭✭lizzyjane


    This is what I mean. Were very close to a Nuclear exchange which will most likely mean Armageddon.


    The utter arrogance of some people on here thinking this is some game. The same folk would soil themselves if a missile landed within a mile of them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,106 ✭✭✭pcardin


    ...or strangle a cat, beat up own wife, pee on the neighbors door, or whatever ruZZkies like to do when the day was bad.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Western tanks wouldn't change much, unless they received large numbers ,but even at that there is no guarantee western tanks would be any real game changer



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,588 ✭✭✭jackboy


    He mentioned better air defence equipment and long range missiles also.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,670 ✭✭✭storker


    RAF bombers early in WW2 would have hit a city in Belarus, thinking it was Kiev.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,159 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Why would he have "had to do it"? If Russia had out of the ash of the fall of the Soviet Union become more of a "European" state, a democracy, with free trade, equality etc and was run by the Scandi mindset. It would have boomed massively. With her young demographics of the time it could well have become a mini China in trade and industry. It could have retained its armed forces, but eased right back on this near medieval imperial mindset. It could have kept the US at a distance as they outsourced manufacturing and buggered their working class. Nobody will want to fight a nation you do good business with and vice versa.

    Instead Russia, and it has to be said; too many Russians, are wedded to the idea of an imperial feudal society and culture and military mindset(which IMHO isn't fascist, but looks very like it, as would most pre early modern European societies look to us today) and one that goes centuries back. Even under Communism which tried to drag them out of that mindset and actually did bring Russia into the modern world and gave ordinary Russians and others, barely out of serfdom a much better life, they still clung to the czar/premier, boyars/governors mindset. Stalin's rule being the clearest example of it. When Communism fell and they felt the chaos of that they went right back to czar putin and his boyar oligarchs. Now it could be argued that to keep such a huge nation, well actually an empire, together this is one of the "better" mechanisms to do it, but it doesn't do much for the average Russian. Yeah they're quite understandably grateful that putin pulled them out of an even bigger chaos and their lives and Russia is or was in a far better state than in the 1990s, but they're back to the old ways. It's a default cultural position. Not unlike ours in Ireland where in a lesser example we like to vote parochially and vote in people just because their forefathers were politicians, or because they belong to a civil war party. That and our odd mixture of pride and insecurity. Something I have found is quite similar to Russians about Russia.

    As for our debt: Irish debt and interest rates etc. Oh there are issues there, but the tax take and other economic indicators are pretty damned healthy, we have "full employment"(and that has improved since last year and through this year) and compared to our nearast once all powerful imperial neighbour who are a slow motion self inflicted car crash it's hard to look at or look away from we're doing pretty damned well thanks very much. The Rouble is a non currency beyond Russia and any of their deals are still with Dollars or Euro behind them. The Rouble is essentially worthless internationally. Russia's exports have fallen off a cliff and they're burning off their gas reserves in the millions. They're selling their oil at firesale prices. They were never internationally credit worthy and relied on being a giant oil and gas station for a large chunk of their funds and that's not in great shape now. With the unbeliveably stupid kneejerk purloining of their Boeing/Airbus fleet they effectively signed their own economic death warrant as far as international leasing, insurance, financing and accreditation goes. And the damned fools didn't have to do it. They could have gone "OK bad situation, but don't worry, we won't screw over the market and trade because of it, even if our enemies try to impose that on us". It would have cost them feck all and gained them much going forward. Now even their homegrown aero industry is fcuked because their aircraft use western engines and flight systems. That level of sheer idiocy you could barely make up and it's not the only such example.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,657 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    New footage of the Kerch Bridge. The regime has surely been lying through their teeth in claiming that the railway and the road are running as normal again.




  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Air defenses should be a priority but like that Ukraine is a large country you can protect some areas but no guarantees yon can stop mass missle attacks like what we saw today,add the fact they can attack from Crimea,the blacksea , Belarus and Moldova makes it even harder to stop attacks



  • Registered Users Posts: 93 ✭✭hometruths_real


    highly unusual for the Russian's to lie... the clip must be doctored



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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,025 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    Some say that Russia has supplied Ukraine with more tanks than the West has in this war...

    (Oryx)



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,836 ✭✭✭✭briany


    And George Soros is probably behind it all, somehow...

    There isn't much strategic interest in the USA destabilising Europe when the USA already has many military assets placed throughout the continent and most of its governments are friendly toward the US (some of its administrations more than others) and are willing to work with it.

    It seems to me that these days there must always be some great conspiracy theory behind war, like it can never be principally that two nations have an intractable and bitter disagreement. But it's funny that this only ever seems to apply to modern warfare. You don't get people claiming that the Hundred Years war was, in fact, engineered by the Venetians in cooperation with the chain mail industry.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,657 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Assuming that was filmed today, even the road bridge doesn't appear to be operating as normal (no sign of any traffic on it).



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,159 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Now better much more informed chaps like Manic Moran hereabouts who knows all about this stuff may say I'm dafter than usual, but IMHO tanks are fine, but anti tank weapons are better. Cheaper, so you get a shedload of anti tank weapons for the cost of one tank, so you have many more of them in many more hands. Much easier and far quicker to train on. Point over there, shoot. And require little or no maintenance, and easier to get from point A to point B and makes every able bodied soldier out there the potential bringer of fiery hell. Personally speaking if I were a Russian tank commander with 20 tanks under my charge, I'd be worried to know there were 20 tanks against me, but would poo my pants if I knew there were 500 or a 1000 anti tank weapons against me. Only a small percentage have to get through and hit me.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,780 ✭✭✭buried


    There's plenty of strategic interest in the yanks destabilising Europe when all of its top companies have based their entire global tax operations, who pay f**k all, within the zone of Europe. While at the same time the yanks have to pay for their based military assets here, which ain't cheap either. But hey, that's obviously some sort of George Soroz Owl bohemian illuminati cult conspiracy too, ami Rite?

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    The Ukrainans currently have one of the largest stockpile of anti tank weapons in the world, since the start of this they received just over 100,000 javelin,AT 4 and numerous other systems,

    They could in theory wipe out all of Russias armor not just tanks multiple times over and still have some to spare ,



  • Registered Users Posts: 93 ✭✭hometruths_real


    all is well comrade... slow deliveries due to truck breaking down



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    No traffic at all by all accounts,you have railway tracks that were reduced to molten metal again, I'd hazard a guess that the concrete underneath is severely degrading too ,super heated and then cooled with cold sea water has to have cracked in places



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Well you are allowed to have your opinion,reality however says otherwise



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,776 ✭✭✭zv2


    A new, powered up USSR is the last thing Europe or anyone else needs. Going back to the cold war with a nutbag psycho in the Kremlin must be avoided, even if it means being a little 'destabilized' for a while.

    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,776 ✭✭✭zv2


    Nuclear or no nuclear we must not submit to the bully. If we do we are worthless. Better to go up in flames free than be imprisoned.

    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,836 ✭✭✭✭briany


    But hey, that's obviously some sort of George Soroz Owl bohemian illuminati cult conspiracy too, ami Rite?

    Basically, yeah. Most businesses want to be based in places that are safe, reliable and functional. That's a good reason, for example, why Northern Ireland had such a hard time attracting investment for the decades. Bombs were going off on a daily basis, hence it wasn't very stable.

    If the U.S. were to knowingly destabilise European countries, they are inherently introducing unpredictability and they won't know what kinds of governments will rise out of that. You could very easily get one of the right wing populists nibbling around the edge of most, if not all, European democracies, demanding that US corporations based in those countries pay their fair share. Consequently, those companies end up having to pay more or just move altogether.

    There is great strategic interest in the US having military assets in Europe and having many western European countries in NATO. It provides Europe with a security guarantee from a certain country to the east who we needn't name. Consequently, it keeps a lid on the idea of Europe consolidating its own military power and being more of a superpower of its own. That's what Trump was missing when he was complaining about the US paying for too much in NATO. The US gets an awful lot of return on its investment in terms of geopolitical benefit. But that all potentially goes if the US willfully destabilises Europe.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,780 ✭✭✭buried


    I agree, all I am saying is let the yanks be 'destabilized' for a while too to go with it, why not? We're all in this together right? So if the Kremlin has openly stated in flooding Europe with victims to 'destabilize' her, our good friends across the Atlantic ocean should chime in and do her upmost to make sure this doesn't happen.

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,780 ✭✭✭buried


    I'm not a Russian apologist whatsoever. Not an American one either.

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,776 ✭✭✭zv2


    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,780 ✭✭✭buried


    The rightwing factions in every important European country are gaining more traction with every election the last 20 years briany, a direct result of American foreign interference, so I'm not entirely sure what your point is at all? France is literally one election away from Le Pen governance, Italy already has one, so has Sweden. Not long before it engulfs the entire sphere. And where are we going to be then? Back to where we were 100 years ago, killing each other. That's some form of stability.

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,780 ✭✭✭buried


    Yeah what happened today is absolutely abhorrent and evil, completely evil. But the ownership of evil doesn't only reside within one house.

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,983 ✭✭✭kevthegaff


    The Americans backed Ukraine when Europe were slow to act at the start of this crisis. Russias relationship had been improving pre 2014 with Europe, even Macron suggested to Putin he was leader for life if he backed down in February!! This is all Russias making and only for the US, I believe Europe would have pressured Ukraine to cede even more territory. And rinse and repeat. Its a huge benefit to Europe we are allied to the US economically and military, people seem to forget this



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