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  • Registered Users Posts: 345 ✭✭lizzyjane


    Putin is a mad man of course he could use them and the hawks in the U.S are equally as mad.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,657 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Most military analysis since the weekend has been about the fact that the Kerch Bridge was / is vital to resupplying the Putin forces in Ukraine.



  • Registered Users Posts: 521 ✭✭✭DontHitTheDitch


    I think you don't know very much about history at all, and what you do know is likely wrong. There has never been a period of inter-state peace like the decades after the second world war. The frequency of war between states has been decreasing and decreasing steadily with the spread of liberal democracies and open markets.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,836 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Well, that's him told.

    Back in reality, only one country put forward the concept of introducing nukes into this conflict and that country was Russia. You can bet your life that the US are never going to launch any kind of nuke over the issue of Ukraine. If one were to hit American soil, it would probably be quite a different story, but not Ukraine.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,780 ✭✭✭buried


    What the christ are you on about, the last century of "liberal democracies" was the most bloody century on record, you had wars all over the planet, especially after the two world wars, every section of the planet was thrown into coups, genocide, drug wars and "interventions" of every make shape and form, add to that you had the rise of the state backed technological weapons dealers who flittered the planet with every sort of far controlled mass murder weapon ever devised. Just because it didn't happen down the road from you doesn't negate the reality it was executed to such a devastating effect that it resulted in the murder of over 1 Billion people, so don't be talking to me about History gasun, especially 20th century.

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,520 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Big bad America....bad bad boy!!! Very strange though, that thousands and thousands of people try to enter the US every year...far more than the nrs trying to get Russian citizen ship..actually, in Putins Russia, the life is so bad that for every 1'000 live births, there are 500 abortions. You can check the stats if you want. There's something rotten in a Country where women prefer not to bring children into it..one of the reasons that Putin is kidnapping Ukrainian children to try and stop the falling birthrate. Its what happens when a mafia state sucks the life out of a Country. Give me the big bad ol' Us of A any day for all it's faults any day.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,780 ✭✭✭buried


    I have literally no problem with anybody wanting to go to America J wanting to better themselves, no doubt they should be allowed in this era of US hegemony. More the merrier for the USA in my eyes. Problem I have is that the Americans themselves are vehemently opposed to any of that happening, yet they are the ones in control of the "free world". No point in having a global empire if you don't want the global plebs following you home. Better deal with it because looked what happened in the empire of Great Britain.

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Registered Users Posts: 345 ✭✭lizzyjane


    Russia ranks 4th in the world in terms of migration, ahead of the UK and one place behind the Utopia that is Saudi Arabia.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,708 ✭✭✭firemansam4



    Bridges and transport infrastructure have been legitimate targets in many wars throughout history.

    In this case 3 civilians were reported to have been killed in the attack, tragic as it may be, I dont think they were the intended target, rather it was an attempt to damage the bridge enough to slow and disrupt Russian military back up from reaching the front lines.

    Can we say the same for the revenge attacks we seen today in Kyiv? Is indiscriminate bombing of towns and cities ever justified in wars?

    And I would include western nations guilty of that in the past.



  • Registered Users Posts: 521 ✭✭✭DontHitTheDitch


    Not in or between liberal democracies. That's my point, and it is unprecedented in human history for so many states and regions to coexist peacefully. But it is in the areas where liberal, democratic, capitalistic countries are. We are still living with the curse of totalitarianism, communist and socialist destruction of humanity in order to save humanity. You're just in too deep with the Chomskyesque propaganda to understand that. The US has, quite rightly, often acted to extend the benefit from this progress, that you and I enjoy, to other states. Putin is trying to drag Russia and its former colonies back to totalitarianism.

    I'm telling you you are still within an ideological bubble, a simplified world view with an invented bogeyman. You can get out of it.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,657 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Russia was involved in many of these wars, correct? China, Korea, Vietnam, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Afghanistan, Georgia, South Ossetia, Chechnya, Dagestan, Georgia, Syria, Ukraine etc etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,520 ✭✭✭jmreire


    You think that in the current world set up, with the US facing war with China over Taiwan, a destabilized EU and west generally is in the best interests of the US? A successful and prosperous EU / west is a win / win for the US. Both from an economic and security point of view. Why do you think that they are supporting Ukraine and the west against Putin? If they wanted a destabilized EU, all they had to do was keep out of Putin's war. But no, that's not in the best interests of the US.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,780 ✭✭✭buried


    Yeah and like I already said Russia were and are a bunch of c**ts looking to totally destabilise Europe too, correct?

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,780 ✭✭✭buried


    The yanks only act to benefit themselves, something you are going to learn all about in the next 12 months, just because they looked out for outposts such as Ireland in the past does not negate the fact they will drop us the minute we are no longer useful as a political entity for their own homeland. We should not be reliant or stupid enough to think this will continue. It is to our detriment we have this outdated mindset when they are ten leagues ahead of us.

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,716 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Sad about the strikes which have prompted real anger for good reason but I think it's a big reality check as well.

    No matter what one thinks If Russia really wanted it this war would be long over. They don't need soldiers.

    It's hard to see past the negotiating table. Someone has to turn it off.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,657 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Well the discussion in this thread is mostly about the criminal / fascist dictatorship known as the 'Russian Federation' and its illegal invasion of Ukraine in 2022, not so much about the history of NATO or western democracies in the 20th century.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,520 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Yes Lizzy, and who started all of this destruction? I'll tell you who. One Vladimir Putin when he illegally invaded the sovereign state of Ukraine. And every single death and all destruction since and still to come, is squarely on him, and no one else. Have you lived in Ukraine, and been bombed?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,393 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Anti-tank missiles are normally defensive weapons, and they are equally normally only of use against a certain subset of targets. I mean, sure you can sneak forward and use a Javelin to knock out a bunker, but it's an extremely expensive way of doing it, to the point that the US went to the trouble of upgrading the old Carl Gustaf to do that sort of thing for the light infantry. Still, that can only be done at the speed of infantry.

    Tanks are irreplaceable in the offense, and, indeed, a well-handled tank is better in the defense than a couple of missiles as well, but in the panic time when Ukraine was defending desperately, anti-tank missiles and rockets were indeed what were needed to provide massive coverage in the defense. As Ukraine attacks, you should see tanks in the center of things, if they have them and know how to use them. For all their merits, Ukraine are not a modern Western army, and don't expect them to fight as well as one.

    Army regs require Ican pass the PT test until age 60 regardless of rank, which means I've a fair few tests to go. Plus we have height/weight/body fat limits we have to adhere to, whether we can pass the test or not. (Whether they are correct is another matter, we use tape, and I'm sure most NFL players wouldn't pass, but it's what we use now.)



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,922 ✭✭✭GM228


    Not seeing this reported anywhere, perhaps more on it tomorrow?




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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,922 ✭✭✭GM228


    Beat Change.org petition I've seen in a long time:-




  • Registered Users Posts: 521 ✭✭✭DontHitTheDitch


    Missile strikes on their own never worked before. Putin needs boots on the ground if he is to achieve what he wants, regime change from a democratic state to a puppet dictatorship. He doesn't have that, why risk civil unrest to conscript 300k men if had easier options with weapons of mass destruction. The incompetence and lack of morale among the ground forces and the staggering impotence in establishing air superiority make this war practically unwinnable now, based on his goal of regime change.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,520 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Not so in the US. They have already ruled out using nuclear weapons. They are not stupid, and besides have no need to. This whole situation rests on Putin, (mad as you say he is and I agree 100%} But the question is he mad enough to sign his own death warrant by starting a nuclear war? Personally, I doubt it, but then again, with madmen, you can never tell. So far he has instigated many murderous attacks on civilian targets, so a nuclear strike as his last act is not beyond the bounds of impossibility.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,520 ✭✭✭jmreire


    I'd say they don't have much choice but to listen to it...but the question is do they believe it?? I'd say that many do. I have many Russian friends, and I was more than surprised to hear how much of it they not only believed, but actually supported it. And before this kicked off, I'd have considered them to be well educated levelheaded people. So you never know.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,520 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Yes, and mostly from ex-USSR Countrys, and even so, the overall Russian birth rate is lower than the death rate. Population figures are dropping year on year. Why is that? Have you lived or do you live in Russia?



  • Registered Users Posts: 36,079 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Russia took a risk doing what they did yesterday, and it was based on the argument '' the West will not respond if we do this'' and sadly it looks like they won't , after this Russia just got stronger. The time has come to step up, and the US and Nato have let it slide, and I THINK we all know, if Putin was to use a nuke, they'd let it slide also 😐️



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,520 ✭✭✭jmreire


    As far as I know, Biden and Zelensky spoke yesterday after the Russian attacks, and Biden has said that he will increase air defense supports to Ukraine. Hope that it is true.



  • Registered Users Posts: 36,079 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Would rather see the fleet in the Black Sea sunk, like tonight. .... your move Putin



  • Registered Users Posts: 36,079 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde




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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,828 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    after this Russia just got stronger.

    They spent well over half a billion dollars to murder 14 people and hit zero military targets. If anything it weakens them by having ~100 less missiles to use on actual military significant targets.

    IIRC, every time some new puppet takes the helm of the 'SMO', Russia launch a large amount of missiles and the next day it's back to the usual rut for them.



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