What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

I'm thinking of most European and other airports I've passed through or arrived at.

You head into the airport area, check in for your tickets (which requires ID), either drop off luggage (which requires ID and tickets) or head to the restricted area (which requires ticket, and ID along with being scanned), then head to the boarding gate (being scanned again), the plane is called for and after queueing, your passport is checked along with your ticket. (and depending on the country you're leaving from there could be even more checks/verification required)

Land at transfer point, or destination, approach through a mostly deserted tunnel to customs/immigration with passport/visa checked, before being allowed into the baggage area.

All the while, there are security cameras everywhere. It's virtually impossible to travel by air without having documentation, or for your face to be captured at multiple stages throughout the whole experience.

Airports and their carriers are businesses, which means they accumulate information about everyone who uses their services. The idea that someone can arrive in Dublin airport or any airport without knowing what flight they were on, their connecting flights, their original country, etc is ridiculous. It runs counter to all the security considerations that were implemented after Sept 11.. and continue to this day.

Anyone who doesn't have documentation or doesn't have a visa should be returned to their original country, with the original airport/airline carrier that brought them here footing the cost. They're ultimately responsible for checking visas, passports etc.

It astounds me that anyone would accept that we can't return those who arrive here. It boggles the mind.. the person who thought up this logic must have never travelled by modern air in their lifetime because everyone leaves a major paper trail behind them.

Asylum claims should only ever be accepted from an embassy outside of Ireland. That's what happens with the US and other countries. Anyone who arrives in Ireland without a visa should be returned to the place they came from. No ifs buts, or whatever.

However, the simple truth is that there's no political will to enforce such a position.

I don't understand that TBH. Fake visas. How does that work? I would assume that European countries would be better organised than Asian ones, and in my experience of the Asian airports (and the European ones, like Frankfurt) is that all visas are checked digitally as they're tied to the persons passport. God knows, I end up spending enough time at their security booths while they compare the older photos used for visa application with my passport, and also with my own physical appearance. Beards really get them wondering what's going on.

The point is that visa's and passports aren't restricted to their physical components. They're digital too, both in the various governmental systems and those of the airport/airline. Destroying or losing your passport/visa shouldn't affect anything because you've left a paper trail behind you. A very easily traceable one, at that.

There's something else going on. I appreciate you're not defending the situation as it is.. but it makes no sense to me as a reason to justify the destruction of passports/ID etc. It shouldn't matter in the slightest.

Haha... they're identified by their passport information which all airlines collect as part of both the processing of airplane tickets (commercial), and getting on to the plane itself (security). Your passport is scanned by both airport (multiple times) and airline staff. It's scanned into a database, likely used for consumer analysis, but it's there nonetheless. Not having their passport on arrival changes nothing. They were still recorded when they obtained their tickets, and when they got through the various levels of security to get on to the plane.. Considering the numbers of people who apparently manage to lose their passports, and gain access to Ireland, your scenario of corrupt officials isn't going to cover most of them.

Identifying them is not difficult. Simply contact the airlines for the time period related to entry, compare the passenger manifest, remove those who have arrived with identification... and who do you have remaining? It's not rocket science. Hell, I could write the code to do it myself, if they couldn't be bothered to check printouts.

Then, contact the airline themselves for the details of the passport along with payment information used.. and bobs your uncle. You've got these idiots identified. All of which could be done within an hour or two, especially if the airline faces losing it's contract to do direct flights to Dublin... which only the bigger airlines do. In this age of post-covid, no airline is going to want to lose any established route.

None of this is hard. At least it shouldn't be. The only reason that it is seen to be hard is because there are those with skin in the game. Somehow. And on the off-chance that none of the passenger manifests or flight/consumer information helps.. their personal possessions will likely explain a lot about them.

I was a credit controller. It's got lots of fancy names, but ultimately I collected bad debts for companies from the relative comfort of my office chair. It is very very difficult to completely disappear these days. Everyone leaves trails behind them. Credit/debit cards, phones themselves logging into shared accounts, etc. A whole lot of services that people use and forget that are there, many of whom provide GPS data. A lot of which is not considered completely "private" and can be traced by various "licensed" companies. Then, there's the level above those companies, who cater to the governments around the world, and who have access to all manner of databases. I've known people to disappear from their homes, leave the country, and then, be picked up a few weeks or month later, because ultimately, people are stupid. Most of them lack the dedication to completely end one life, and start a new one fresh, without any connections to their past. (I know what's involved and I wouldn't be able to do it) All of which can be used to track them down. Not spygames. Simply a network of information that spans most developed and developing nations... because money talks.

I'll put it another way. When I went to live in China, I changed everything. Phone, bank accounts, etc. Even email accounts, and social media accounts. Due to the way China operated, while I could have maintained my past accounts, it just wasn't worth the hassle at the time (I learned later how to do it). However, regardless of how corrupt and awkward Chinese companies are.. every bank account I had (I've had 6 there), all my electronic transactions, etc were recorded, and made available when my international bank sought details (without my knowledge) when I was looking to expand my credit limit. This isn't because China is a police state. The same systems exist in most countries [Due to all the international conventions and interest in stopping fraud, all bank accounts connect to identification, including photos, and often a passport is required now).. and you'd have to be living in the absolute sticks without any internet your whole adult life to avoid making a mark on the world.

If there was the political and State will, to track these people down and identify them... then, it wouldn't be hard to identify these people quickly, and get them back on a plane pronto as illegal immigrants. But then, I suppose our political elite want more undocumented migrants, so... there is that.