The Pushback against Leftism

But you do believe in an ideology. You are so far gone down your own rabbit holes and biases it's practically impossible to engage with you.. that's why it's only a few that do.. seriously look at your posts. If no one discusses what you want to, as defined by your own narrow terms you either ignore or belittle it (or you try and repaint things as you have here...).

I feel bad for people in such a situation.

The idea that the Tavistock was shut down solely as a result of lack of funding is laughable if it wasn't so serious for the health of children.

What we know as facts

*prior to mid 2000's the Tavistock was primarily a clinic which provided "talk therapy" type services with an in depth review of all aspects of the patients life to fully investigate their needs and issues.

*only after this was completed were they considered for pharma interventions or medical which was done by a sister clinic

*lots of patients presented with comorbidities rather than just gender dysphoria

*Patient age dropped very significantly from 2005 on

What appears to have happened is that patients, some very young, were treated on their own affirmation of gender dysphoria without the in depth review which had been previously the case. This change would be in line with post modern influenced gender theory.

Dr Cass's report is really clear than the scientific basis for this change of treatment(in particularly puberty blockers) was not present.

If not why the change from a long established practice to one where pharma and surgical interventions were fast tracked?

Why are posters, seemingly the self proclaiming caring liberal cohort prepared to give a free pass for poor practice where children received substandard care?

There is a lot of similarities between current situation and in bygone days were church interfered in medical/health matters where belief was given precedence over the scientific method, good medicine and open discussion.

Below is a link from the Guardian with an interview from Consultant psychiatrist David Bell; which includes (You'll also find Marcus Evans giving a similar account of what occurred here)

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/may/02/tavistock-trust-whistleblower-david-bell-transgender-children-gids

The story begins in February 2018, with a knock on Bell’s office door. “I was often the person people came to when they had problems,” he says. Having worked as a consultant at the Tavistock for more than 25 years, he was one of its most senior doctors: for 10 years, he was in charge of its scientific programme; in 2018, he was also an elected staff governor of the trust, for the second time. Of the 10 GIDS staff who would talk to him over the course of the next seven months, only the first saw Bell at the Tavistock; the others, who spoke of intimidation, worried about being seen. What did he make of what they told him? “My blood ran cold. Their concerns were similar, but not in a choreographed way. One or two were severely troubled.”

Among these concerns were the fact that children attending GIDS often seemed to be rehearsed and sometimes did not share their parents’ sense of urgency; that senior staff spoke of “straightforward cases” in terms of children who were to be put on puberty blockers (no case of gender dysphoria, notes Bell, can be said to be straightforward); that some were recommended for treatment after just two appointments and seen only infrequently thereafter; some felt that GIDS employed too many inexperienced (and inexpensive) psychologists; that clinicians who’d spoken of homophobia in the unit were told they had “personal issues”. One told Bell that a child as young as eight had been referred to an endocrinologist for treatment. “I could not go on like this… I could not live with myself given the poor treatment the children were obtaining,” said another.

So do you think I've raised any relevant points regarding your posting style or is it only deflection?

Would you want to reflect on anything you've posted? Do you want to change or continue as-is?

Not at all, I've said nothing personally against you (despite your claims) and I've asked you several direct questions which you've chosen to ignore (presumably because they don't suit your narrative?).

But if you feel victimised, as always, report away. I'm just trying to have a meaningful conversation.

A pushback - literally!

I don't believe protesters have a right to block roads in this way. Someone is going to get seriously hurt sooner or later.

Thats very much the narrative; creating "sides", trying to paint it their "side" is winning, only ever listening to a minority of trans voices on the issues because they are on their "side", dishonestly presenting the Cass review as "a win" on their "side", refusing to acknowledge lots of problems on their "side", refusing to admit the bullying coming from JK Rowling is gone off the scale, painting anyone who disagrees as a far left extemist. It's really fascinating propaganda that tries to portray trans peoples right to existence as non existent, with some faux concern for women and children thrown in as extra propaganda measure and dishonestly presenting themselves as rational and non threatening to human rights.

You obviously don't know anyone who is trans and therefore have no understanding of how important it is to support them in any way possible. Lack of any real empathy is one of the defining qualities of a right wing ideology so I am not remotely surprised.

And importantly nobempathy for the children of this State and the UK getting suboptimal care.

Such empathy would mean criticism of the postmodernism Trans ideology, so lets not comment or question why Tavistock happened.

History repeating itself just a different holy book