Liverpool FC Team Talk, Gossip, Rumours 2024/25

Well, no, I'd say you're missing the most important factor here - MU spent their own money they earned through good business practices. They built their club off the pitch to help fund success on the pitch. Liverpool didn't have this acumen and didn't see where football was going, and fell behind because they completely failed to take advantage of their global brand recognition. FSG came in and started us realising that potential 20 years later than we should have.

I want us to be the best version of our club it can be off its own back. I'm just personally not that into the idea of someone else throwing their money at it. That's my own opinion. Obviously it's a subjective one. And it may lead to us being less successful than state owned clubs as a result, but to be honest I'm ok with that. I'm interested in the journey of the team I follow, including their downs as well as their ups. That's what makes me watch Liverpool matches in a different way than all the other random matches I watch. If the success becomes divorced from the club actually earning it through doing things well on and off the pitch, it just becomes a thing I'm less personally interested in.

We’d probably end up with the f**king Iron Sheik if our recruitment is anything to go by.

The team can 100% turn it around. They have done so before in worse cases.

But to be asking them to do so again, and again and again is incredibly irresponsible from the coaching/recruiting staff.

Matip & Trent out for two weeks

Lads who train MMA don't get as injured as much as our lot ,

Sound ,

You assume FSG are saying no when Klopp asks for a budget of £X to finance player transfers. Do you seriously think Klopp would hang around if he wasn't happy with the transfer budget available to him?

Also, at the peak when Barnes, Aldridge, Beardsley and Houghton joined (1987) they cost a combined total of £4.4m at the time (adjusted for inflation that's equivalent to £11.4m in 2022), and with the exception of Beardsley were unproven at the top level (Barnes from Watford, Houghton and Aldo from Oxford) and they weren't paid for out of a wealthy benefactors pocket, the club financed those transfers out of operating cashflow.

Those who think spending more than the club can afford from cashflow or by borrowing responsibly and making repayments over time (either formally from banks etc or by building staged payments into player transfers) are deluded, there is no magic money tree unless you are owned by an oil state or a gazillionaire who can afford to spunk hundreds of millions on a pet project.

But who decides the roof needs a major overhaul? To carry on with your analogy FSG are commercial landlords who aren't operating the building day to day. To do that they hired one of the best property managers in the world and they are paying him to manage the property for them. Its his job to identify roof problems long before its even close to caving in and effect repairs or alterations in a smooth and pro-active manner so you never even get to the point where there's a need for sudden and major intervention.

FSG are a convenient target as they are the money guys but when you look at it with a clear head if they aren't (rightly) involved or qualified to have input into team selection on matchday why on earth do people think they should be responsible for the decline in our midfield and the lack of a joined up succession plan to replace Wijnaldum, Milner, Hendo and soon Thiago?

Well the blame all comes down to whether FSG are withholding funds or whether Klopp just doesn't want to spend them. I don't think anyone outside the club knows the answer to that one but I'd be very surprised if it was down to Klopp. What he says in can't be trusted as he's not going to openly criticise his employer.

I mean, the conversation over the past day has been very clearly about the club spending within its means, versus the club spending money gifted by owerns... feels like semantics to be trying to pull that one up. It's already been specifically clarified as to what they meant with that wording (literally in the post you just quoted), so what's the point in bringing up the already-clarified wording again? Feels a bit petty/pointless...

As for the four players, I think that's one where you'd need to show/prove they weren't bought with the clubs own money tbh, as the normal course of business is that they would have been, and I've never seen anything to suggest otherwise. About the only event I can think of to the contrary was David Moores sanctioning a short term bridging loan to enable the club to buy Dirk Kuyt, as the club didn't have enough liquid cash right then to get it through - which was big news at the time.

Fair play Pedantic Pat, you're not going to let something as obvious as context spoil your juvenile narrative. Buying success in the context of the PL is accepted (other than by a rare few) as meaning spending more than you generate through the indulgence of your oil state or gazzillionare owners.

Whether those 1987 players were bought with cash already on hand or the club borrowed and then repaid that loan out of future cashflow to pay for them is immaterial, what matters is they did it within their operating capacity and didn't require an injection of cash from a benefactor.

Thanks for the Mbappe rumours, I needed some light entertainment in this thread and that raised a little chuckle 😋

Sign him for £150m in January then sell him to Madrid in the summer for their midfield of Camavinga, Tchouameni & Valverde 😂

It's gas.

I've often heard opposition supporters helpfully explain that pretty much all other football people in the UK hate Liverpool - it's not just Utd, Everton fans etc who hate us, but all of them, everyone, fans and players alike, young or old. We're despised.

Yet, this hate for LFC seemingly doesn't extend to referees - if we question the impartiality of referees from Manchester handling Liverpool games, especially games involving Liverpool and an actual club from Manchester - we're being unreasonable/making excuses/tinfoil hatters. Quite an anomaly, that - everyone hates us except Manchester referee's.

Let me see maybe because we are actually worse off than before it ,

Arthur, Ramsey have added the grand total of nothing at all ,Carvalho is a kid ,

Nunez has of yet been a big disappointment

38 goals from last season where let go in Mane,Taki ,Dickov

How could you spin it in another way ?

Genuinely forgot Ox still played football for us.

And in general.

Stop the mental gymnastics

The summer window was a shocker there's no way around it,,

They did go get another midfielder who wasn't good enough or fit enough ,

If your happy with it then fair play but lets not hear you give out about the squad so

The more i read that the funnier it becomes,

We needed a midfielder because ye know ours can't stay fit so we got Arthur,

We need someone to challenge Trent NOW so we got Ramsey ,

We needed to replace 38 goals in Mane,Origi,Taki we got Nunez & Carvalho .,

How can anyone can think that's a good window is beyond me ,

We all love the club but why pretend things are good the window was shambles ,

Its ok to say that ,

Ok so you say Carvalho & Ramsey are brought for the future ok so lets forget them ,

We sold 38 goals is Nunez * an adequate replacement for the 38 goals ....NO

We needed a midfielder we got Arthur was that adequate .......NO

We needed back up for Trent did we get it ..............NO

Wow i hope we have more windows like this in the future

Have the summer signings helped us ............NO

You say " The lack of additional singing is what hurt us ,not the ones we made " the signing's he made have NOT helped so maybe considering his JOB he should make ones that would help .

I don't think you'll find one single fan is saying " ohh god i hope we have another window like the summer "

*Nunez has had two good opening 45minutes in the last two games i hope he continues

I said the window was a farce i stand bye that statement,

Nunez has 2 goals one assist in 267 minutes.

Haaland is at 50 minutes per goal, Firmino is at 78 minutes per goal,

No one else comes close to these minutes per goal