Dun Laoghaire Thread. No traffic, commuting, transport chat.

Ffs, what the f*ck does this all have to do with dun Laoghaire???

I did and deliberately so. But if I explained any further I'd be upsetting certain posters and they'd start complaining and throwing profanities around the place.

You'd never know they might even want to start a third thread.😁

It's a pity they didn't extend Bodytonic's license for Beatyard

Due for a September handover I believe.

Would've been spring but suspension of the contract during Covid and unforeseen engineering challenges set them back.

I agree about the swimming pier, the water looks beautiful back there these days. A far cry from the polluted mess it was when I was a kid.

No, this new contract *IS* the first design being implemented.

What was there up to recently was just temporary installation of benches, trees in planters and a toilet unit.

The Part 8 scheme which was approved by the Council will now be constructed as per the press release.

I do hope they wait for this to bed-in before holding yet another Part 8 for the full pedestrianisation of George's Street Lower to the Hospital. The consequences of these new works must be properly captured.

That's not a design, it's a few paragraphs of text about talking to the businesses and some seating and closing the street on an interim basis for Summer 2021, or basically what I described above.

This is a design and what was approved in March 2021 to go to advanced design and tender and what is now going to be built:

Why, what interest do you need to declare?

If I worked as a Planner for the County Council??

Absolutely not. Dun Laoghaire is my home area, I retain a large number of family and friendship links with the area, some of whom are active in a political party that I'm involved with myself.

I have worked with other Local and Regional Authorities in the past, so I do know how they work, but when it comes to DLR, they have very frequently dropped the ball when in comes to Dun Laoghaire while concentrating on more lucrative development areas like Dundrum and Sandyford. However, credit where it is due, efforts are being made and where I see good things I will mention them and where I see bad things I will call them out.

When you say I seem to take every criticism of the Council as a personal slight, you are quite deliberately ignoring my persistent and vocal criticism of their proposal to close GSL to traffic altogether, which I know you have been following on the other thread. I also have been all over their cackhanded process around the so-called Coastal Mobility Route.

I prefer to deal in facts, so don't mistake my critique of you being wrong for defending the Council unduly, on this or any other matter.

If you wish.

This release by the Council on 24th June 2021, followed on from what you posted above, as a response to submissions made under the *non-statutory* consultation that DLR carried out to take the local temperature, if you will, regarding a street closure and temporary measures in the public realm, to facilitate outdoor dining, physical distancing and increased outdoor activity, in line with the prevailing Covid requirements of the time.

If you read this, it details the overall ambition of what they are trying to achieve, the traffic management, policing, enhanced cleansing, facilities for street entertainment etc. It makes absolutely zero reference to a specific layout for physical measures on Myrtle Square. All there is, is the design montage that you can see at the top of the article, showing some trees in planters, movable picnic benches, a high-traction surface overlay, bike racks and so on.

In a process like this, that is purely indicative and not binding in any specific way.

Its important to note the non-statutory nature of all of this. It commits them to nothing specific, to no measurements or permanence. Its nothing more than a local understanding, made notionally for the temporary benefit of all, during a public health and economic emergency of sorts.

So the way in which you are wrong, specifically, is that your contention that there was a fixed design for Myrtle Square agreed in 2021 and never completed, is incorrect. There was never any such thing. You are reading between the lines, I suggest and finding something that never was or intended to be.

By comparison, the Part 8 Planning, *is* a statutory process and a largely fixed design, which the Council are required to build and enable as approved.

I say "largely", because there is minor flexibility to amend in during contract, for reasons of underforeseen ground conditions, proximity of services causing a conflict in a particular spot etc.

Hope thats clear enough.

You asked boss man, it's not my problem if the answer goes over your head.

In short, you're mistaken, the Council weren't committed to anything specific on site in Myrtle Square in 2021. End of.

If you disagree, try telling them that they were and see how far you get.

Next topic.

Now you're getting it. You should show a bit more respect honestly.

There has been some bad news from ABP today regarding the construction of new housing units in both Killiney and on the Daughters of Charity site in Temple Hill in Blackrock.

ABP have conceded their legal challenge to oppose building these units during a legal hearing today.

As a result of this move being carried out by ABP today. The construction of these new properties will now no longer be fast tracked under the strategic housing development laws.

New planning permission applications will now have to be sought to build these housing developments in Killiney and Blackrock.

The Killiney apartments and houses that are not being built as a result of this judicial review relate to Watson Drive in Killiney.

Both developments in Killiney and Blackrock are now not proceeding as a result of fire safety concerns which relates to the criminal charges of impropriety against Paul and Stefan Hyde.

There are more details here as to how this case have been assessed under the judicial review into these developments and at ABP.

Its a bit of a lose-lose. AnBP were clearly corrupt and doing things incorrectly, so theres no real way to avoid reviewing the approvals. But at the same time its a disaster for the property market to have 1400+ new housing units in the area delayed indefinitely.

The objections to the Blackrock one in particular are insane. How anyone could object to apartments being built in that location is beyond me.