What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

I remember genuine hard line right wingers years ago, saying that rape stats were the best argument against the "socio economic" blame that the left relies heavily on, and they weren't wrong.

See Sweden 3 weeks ago for how well multiculturalism works.

Any of the second generation of immigrants I've met were all as Irish as me, regardless of their background. A great addition to the country and long may it continue.

Regarding your last paragraph, we see a shift over time across the world and spanning centuries now, where inequality issues are slowly resolved and this will only continue. Instead of sitting back and complaining about problems with immigration, elected officials tackle those issues by implementing policies as such. They don't just sit there and complain about it like you seem to enjoy doing.

Well away from the leafy sheltered surroundings of our overlords.

Id say not one of them has walked down O Connell street in years and witnessed what a kip it has become.

How about immigration officers at the end of the stairs of each plane.

No documents when exiting? Well then it’s up to the airline to deal with them, back on plane they go.

Am I over simplifying this as possible solution to the passport/document trashing?

Immigration control at the steps/air bridge of aircraft. Boarding pass and passport/document are shown and are in order. Passengers from non EU countries (with some other exceptions) board plane with b/pass only and passports are held by security. Plane is loaded. The passports/docs from non EU are bagged up (poss separated in three - M, F, kids) and put in the hold.

Flight lands. Security is first to plane to collect bags of passports from hold and takes them to immigration control. Plane disembarks. Some extra time allocated to sort it out, but what the hell. Cheaper than paying for chancers in hotels for years. Wouldn't have to be done for too long either as word would soon spread - 'Soft touch Ireland has copped on'

So are all these people Garda vetted? 

You have to be Garda vetted when working in a school with being close to children etc…….

So what would they require Garda vetting for then? I’m not sure you understand the point of Garda vetting at all tbh.

Who needs to be Garda vetted?

You must be Garda vetted if your work or activity at a relevant organisation involves access to children or vulnerable adults. This includes staff, contractors, agency workers, volunteers, and anyone on a student placement or apprenticeship in:

• Childcare services
• Schools
• Hospitals and health services
• Residential services or accommodation for children or vulnerable people
• Treatment, therapy or counselling services for children or vulnerable people
• Services that provide leisure, sporting or physical activities to children or vulnerable people
• Services that promote religious beliefs

Self-employed people

Garda vetting is not carried out for people on a personal basis. If you are self-employed, you can only submit a vetting application through a relevant organisation, as defined in Section 2 of the Act.

Private security employees

Under the Private Security Services Act 2004private security employees (for example, bouncers and nightclub security staff) must be Garda vetted.

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/employment/employment_rights_and_conditions/data_protection_at_work/garda_clearance_for_employees.html#leacca

There are quite literally millions of ‘unvetted males’ and ‘unvetted females’ in Irish society. Vetting is nothing more than an arse-covering measure for organisations to promote the perception at least that they are compliant with regulations regarding working with and having access to children and vulnerable adults. Asylum seekers are far more likely to be categorised as vulnerable, and it is the people working with them, would usually be required to be vetted.

Article 21 of the Directive 2013/33/EU of the European Parliament and of the Council of Europe which defines the standards for the reception of applicants for international protection defines a vulnerable person as follows -

PROVISIONS FOR VULNERABLE PERSONS

Article 21

General principle

Member States shall take into account the specific situation of vulnerable persons such as minors, unaccompanied minors, disabled people, elderly people, pregnant women, single parents with minor children, victims of human trafficking, persons with serious illnesses, persons with mental disorders and persons who have been subjected to torture, rape or other serious forms of psychological, physical or sexual violence, such as victims of female genital mutilation, in the national law implementing this Directive.

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex:32013L0033

On that basis, I’m really not sure what you’re expecting, or what you understand by vetting, or who exactly you think vetting applies to.

I did read exactly what they wrote, and they didn’t write that there were refugees of unknown provenance living over a school. They wrote that there were asylum seekers staying above the school in Gormanston at the moment, which is a hell of a lot more accurate than your interpretation of their post.

They also pointed out, rightly, that people working in a school have to be Garda vetted (I wasn’t going to quibble over the fact that parents volunteering to accompany children on school outings don’t require Garda vetting, I knew what the poster meant), but the asylum seekers in question are not working with vulnerable persons, and therefore aren’t required to be vetted, and they’re not of unknown provenance either, they’re Ukrainian -

https://www.meathchronicle.ie/2022/09/27/parents-concern-over-ukrainian-refugees-housed-in-school/

The only reason I’d suggest it isn’t appropriate is because the accommodation being provided isn’t suitable for their needs, but then I understand we’re in the middle of an emergency situation and they’re trying to make room wherever they can for asylum seekers and refugees. ‘Tis a clusterfcuk alright, no question about that, but I understand at the same time people are doing what they can to try and accommodate everyone. Given the circumstances, it’s not appropriate, nor is it ideal, but there’s no suggestion of any inappropriate behaviour other than the refugees running around upstairs -

"The children can hear them running around upstairs. They should not be living in a school. It does not matter what country they are from or what circumstances, if they came from Cork we would be saying the same thing.

I’d be saying the same thing too, I don’t care where they’re from - NO RUNNING IN SCHOOL!!

Schools every year are being gouged for insurance premiums because they’re having to cover compensation claims made by parents whose children injure themselves running on the school grounds, tsk, filthy urchins with no manners carrying on at that sort of horseplay, uncultured ignorance, very concerning 🧐

So after all you have listed and all your EU rules on protecting vulnerable people and children.

You have just proven my point that there is no Garda vetting to protect Kids in this country at present from people who could be criminals. Not saying they are.

But we don’t really know if they aren’t as they have no documentation when they arrive.

All the while living above a school where kids attend 5 days a week.

On the contrary, I don’t know how my pointing out that Garda vetting does not apply to asylum seekers or refugees proves your point about anything. Garda vetting is simply irrelevant in the context of refugees and asylum seekers, unless they’re working with vulnerable persons, and then that same vetting applies to most people working with vulnerable persons.

I pointed out that the important thing about Garda vetting, or any kind of vetting for that matter, doesn’t actually do anything to protect anyone or prevent anyone who is so inclined from harming vulnerable persons. It’s more of a reassurance of sorts for their employers and the people who use the services of their employers, that should anyone be harmed, the employer or organisation can point to the idea that they are compliant with legislation regarding protection of vulnerable persons.

Well that’s a fairly shìtty assessment of the situation there Watson. YOU know feckall about the people you’re complaining about, and you have no right to know anything about the people you’re complaining about, they have the right to be protected too, the right to privacy and all that sort of good stuff which basically means you don’t have the rights you think you do, no matter what you think.

LOL, this is why I love this thread, completely missed the point and went on about some weird stuff. Good work.

She also said Romania took in 100 million Ukrainian refugees, and that they are happy to sleep in mud sheds in Moldova 🤣🤣🤣