Applegreen own brand chargers

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Adapters for chademo to , and CCS to, a third new standard in China are already in discussion for some time

Hopefully, if they can both be adapted to one standard in common, then an adapter is possible

ChaoJi - Wikipedia

CHAdeMO 3.0 to harmonize global EV quick charging standards (sae.org)

You could probably charge from the drive through with the length of those.

Similar pic on facebook with the poster saying the site will be 3 CCS + 1 Chademo... I'd love to get a closer picture of the other box to be sure

That seems fair although because there's 2 boxes I don't see it being implemented.

Say for example plugs 1 and 2, are all being used, Car 3 and 4 show up within a minute or 2 of each other and plug in. Car 3 takes the full 160kW on offer as he was there first and until it drops to 80kW car 4 gets nothing. 5 Minutes later cars 1 and 2 are finished and car 5 comes along, plugs in and gets the full blast while car 4 is still getting nothing

Of course in all likelihood each box will be limited to 100kW and every plug to 50kW because there's such a shortage of DC chargers in our country... Also you'll the spend more time and hopefully money in their shop

Yes I know that, but it depends on supply and configuration.

These may be 150kW chargers that are split 200A/200A like the ecars ones. They only deliver >400v in specific configurations.

Anyway whatever they are I'll likely be in to test pretty soon. I'm on the n11 at least twice a week each way.

Yes I really like those kempower units but these do seem more "dumb" units. Not complaining at all. A 3:1 ratio of CCS to Chademo is about the best to be expected. If both sides can deliver 150kW when the other side is empty and 80kW when the other side is in use, I think we should be happy with that.

I'll be in to test as soon as I hear it's live.

I really hope these (and Ballymount (and the upcoming CircleK stuff)) isn't 'power limited' pending grid upgrades.........

I've actually seen those units installed in places and power limited to 50kW each. Not saying these will be, but it's easy to install the chargers using the existing grid supply and upgrade later if the demand is there

Who is on for heading to park West?!

I thought chademo was limited to around 70kW max at least on the 62kWh leaf? 125kW may be in latest standards but I doubt any Irish car sold can reach that.

It's a test. Probably the charger is labelled as 125kW but that's a nominal figure based on 800v. Chademo have been branded at 80kW, 100kW,120kW etc but realistically they top out at just under 80kW in the wild. And that's in best case scenario, no rapidgate, first charge of the day, mild ambient temp etc

It could also just be a test for the app, rather than any specific site being tested so no need to get excited at all,

I see they've had a price increase to 50c/unit recently

I wonder will each location have a different price, given there's a difference in the chargers on offer

I was thinking the same, I balked at paying 61c/kWh for the Tesla Supercharger at the same location recently - but at least that was quick, not 50kW

I don’t believe it is. Look at the price of electricity, now add on costs to install and maintain the unit. Standing charges etc.

I have no issue with 50-60c per kWh at a fast charger.

They’ve gone up close to that.

electric Irelands standard domestic rate is 40c/KWh. Add the standing charge and other chargers along with the cost of the infrastructure

Applegreen are also making what appears to be a lathe capital expenditure program. On EV chargers. I don’t believe 60c/KWh is unreasonable.

after all most people will charge at home , so can expect to pay a premium when using a DC charger.

Alternatively, look at the competition. ESB: 43c/kWh, EasyGo: 45c/kWh

60c/kWh is certainly out of sync in the market.

It will be interesting to see if their rates are flat accross all sites and what that will mean for ESB colocated sites.

It depends what we consider fast charging in 2022. I wouldn't be opposed to getting a top up at that rate if we were talking about 100+kW

Those are sub par networks in comparison to what Applegreen are trying to do (roll out proper hubs like Tesla/Ionity), and they are priced accordingly...

I know when I'm driving somewhere outside of the Tesla network, and if I need a charge and dont want to queue, I'd be navigating to a €0.60/kWh Applegreen site with 8 CCS chargers before I'd consider navigating to a €0.45/kWh eCars site with 2 CCS plugs (but potentially only 1 CCS plug if a Leaf is using the 50kW unit).

€1/kWh wouldn't seem too unreasonable if it meant a guaranteed charge at 150+kW with no queuing required.

Birdhill is not 8x CCS though, far from it. For now at least, it is no level above ESB/EasyGo and so I still believe that is a high price for the site.

As I said, that price at a rapid charger at the likes of the future Ballymount site I would have no issue with.

I would happy to spend the bit more at a hub site, the likes of the renders they have published. That at least would be a high capacity site for a dedicated purpose which you would hope would be relatively immune to ICEing.

It's free now following the sunk cost fallacy. I'd have solar anyway, so incrementally the free kWh going into the car cost nothing further. You could of course ammortize the cost of the panels into the cost?

If you can't charge at home then you shouldnt get an EV anyway.

Wait until someone comes in and installs an adequate public charging network, like what they have in mainland Europe.