Covid vaccines - thread banned users in First Post

I was referring to the advice re: protecting others and the scientific rationale underlying vaccine mandates.

The health authorities would have been following e.g. the studies and trials linked in the twitter thread posted here.

And for example...

A new CDC study provides strong evidence that mRNA COVID-19 vaccines are highly effective in preventing SARS-CoV-2 infections in real-world conditions among health care personnel, first responders, and other essential workers. These groups are more likely than the general population to be exposed to the virus because of their occupations... Results showed that following the second dose of vaccine (the recommended number of doses), risk of infection was reduced by 90 percent two or more weeks after vaccination... One of this study’s strengths is its design: participants self-collected nasal swabs each week for RT-PCR laboratory testing, regardless of whether they had developed symptoms of illness. 

If you aren't testing positive on a PCR swab, you are not going to transmit virus to anyone else.

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p0329-COVID-19-Vaccines.html

There's no "duping" going on.

When advice was given in the beginning of the pandemic not to wear masks it was because some quarters thought that masks were not be sufficient to stop the pathogens, and would give people a false sense of security against the virus. When it was later discovered that the virus primarily transmitted on aerosols and droplets from our noses/mouth, then that info was updated. It wasn't like some experts were in some conspiracy against masks, or that they were deliberately "duping" the public, it's that the virus was new and we didn't know everything about it.

Likewise when the vaccines were under development, many people believed that they would "stop" transmission of the virus, some experts and politicians even believed that they would. When the vaccines came out, they already showed relatively good performance against the early variants they developed for, but less so for the current (at the time) variations and mutations that later emerged. That's the limitations of medical science. This is why the advice has been updated and is constantly updated.

As mentioned, a new strain could evolve tomorrow for which the vaccines have no effect. That doesn't mean we've all been "duped", or that there was some vast conspiracy.

Again, none of these posts are for your personal benefit, you've already made up your mind. They are for other posters who may be reading this and to demonstrate the flaws in the kind of irrational and paranoid thinking on display in this thread.

No, what the Pfizer CEO said is irrelevent to the advice that was given to get vaccinated to protect others.

The reasons why it is irrelevent are posted here and nobody has challenged them.

So perhaps you should have a read before concluding "is this not pretty much irrelevent now".

So since you're convinced the average guy on the street won't be able to assimilate complex info, maybe its not that ethical to go with punchy slogans such as "Stop the spread" "Protect the vulnerable" "Get the covid vaccine to help protect others" and put them on every TV ad every radio ad, every billboard 24/7 360 degrees for years. Especially if you KNOW those slogans are based on a FALSE premise. You know, because people may take decisions they wouldn't otherwise take if you were being honest and truthful with them. Why then, if this info was known, did they put out a message they knew was misleading oh wise ones?

They werent based on a false premise.

Are they 100% safe? No

Do I think a lot of the measure were bullshit? Yes

Did I spend 2 years banging my head off a brick wall losing friends and family and annoying everyone? No.

The vaccines were rolled out, billions of people took them, cases and deaths plummeted and the world opened up again. As "they" said it would. Time to move on.

The world learnt there is an unnerving amount of people among us who are dangerously ignorant. These people ignored millions of deaths, ignored the threat to national health systems, screeched about imagined "tyranny", went nuts about having to wear a bit of cloth, refused to socially distance and lost their minds over vaccines that reduced deaths from the virus.

At points ICU's were packed with unvaccinated Covid patients, ironically dying from the thing they claimed wasn't real or wasn't a threat. How many died from a piece of paper over their face?

That's the real insanity.

I didnt deny it because thats not what was claimed originally. I am pointing out that without vaccines either it would not have moved to endemic status without carnage, if it even did so - to deny that "is pointless".

Goalposts shifting much?

From your own link, the CDC initially recommended against masks, they later strongly encouraged mask usage.

Likewise with the lockdown, certain experts thought the first would be the last. Same with the vaccine, some thought we wouldn't need other measures, some thought the vaccine would work like the Smallpox vaccine (where one shot was enough)

As we learnt more, certain advice changed and was updated. It's pretty shocking that this has to be explained to what I can only presume are adults.

Conspiracy theorists and anti-vaxxers believe any change in advice was part of some conspiracy, or scam that they can't explain. Or they see it as a mistake with which they can use to attack science/government - "look science was wrong!".

"Europe"? "Africa"?

That's a very broad question and I reject its premise.

But I expect, as has already been pointed out to you, it has something to do with the number of vulnerable people in the country, how many are vaccinated, and their expectations of hospital treatment. Hard to over run hospitals that aren't there. Unless you are going to pretend that the number of vulnerable people in 'Africa' is the same demographically as 'Europe'? Or the level of hospital care typically provided or accessed?