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The Pushback against Leftism

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    lol pictures of schoolgirls and then child porn to turn it around. play the ball.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,393 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    You're being obtuse. Of course one's sexual interest is in the brain/mind but what makes one a lesbian or gay is not based ones sense of gender it's based on the fact that one is sexually interested in the same physical sex one is. I know you totally understand that.

    Your point if you even believe it all because I detect your just playing with me is arguing in favour of gender ideology. GI changes the whole definition of homosexuality. You can agree with it all you like but it will never stand with us.

    As for your last sentence there I just have to laugh at that painfully leftist style rhetoric.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,275 ✭✭✭km991148


    Oh sorry, I thought you *were* trying to make that link. Not a play the ball issue (report away if you feel that) just an illustrated example of the irrelevance of your question.



    Substitute school girls in the above question tho, and it's still ridiculous.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    lol. I mentioned no names. Do we often wonder what child sex offenders feels are or be hurt ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    No I just laid out a very simple example that anyone with a functioning mind would find weird. I don't think anyone would not think a person with large amounts of pictures of schoolgirls was not weird or dodgy.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,275 ✭✭✭km991148


    Lol true enough you didn't name anyone in that post. Hypothetical nonsense on top of hypothetical nonsense.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,393 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    I'm just talking (intentionally) like the opposition do, glad you noticed. Now you know how annoying it is for us.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,512 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    lol. I mentioned no names.

    no no no, just stirring the pot about Mermaid etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,275 ✭✭✭km991148


    Anyway, what's this thread about again? Anyone got any ideas? Something to do with the left or something (been a few pages since anything like that was mentioned)



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl




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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,275 ✭✭✭km991148




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,275 ✭✭✭km991148


    Leave what where? There was no relevant coherent question. I love how you think there is some sort of gotcha in this manufactured hypothetical no names situation.. yeah best to leave it indeed 🙏



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,512 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I'm still waiting on you to verify all your goalposts have been clearly stated.

    Very telling you haven't answered if my friend is the president of the yearbook club.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 82,512 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users Posts: 28,939 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko




  • Registered Users Posts: 41,062 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Thats exactly it. When you strip everything out of those arguments the position is that trans people dont exist.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users Posts: 41,062 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users Posts: 41,062 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    What if there really is a sock fetishist on this thread?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users Posts: 41,062 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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  • Registered Users Posts: 41,062 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Sock fetishists pushing lefties back cause they dont wear the right socks

    Post edited by Annasopra on

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,436 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure




  • Registered Users Posts: 41,062 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Just asking questions

    Maybe its only the long socks some posters have a fetish for

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,825 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    Not to ignore that question Andrew but the bigger question I have is why is any discussion on the left always eventually framed around Trans issues by people who gravitate to the right politically.

    Wealth inequality has never been greater and the enormous political leverage that wealth gives can not be doubted in this modern age. Billionaires paying **** all tax all around the world. These issues affect billons of people. We have recently seen the right wing UK government (in power over a decade) try to give the wealthy a tax cut in the middle of a cost of living crisis.

    But no every discussion on the left has to get channelled into Trans issues, the wealthy owned media loves these stories both negative and positive.

    And I have to ask why the **** is that?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    This is exactly it.

    Stonewall, formerly an organization that defended LGB rights, has now failed the people they were originally set up to support. Even two of Stonewall's founders, Simon Fanshawe and Matthew Parris, accused the charity of "losing its way".

    "The lesbians, gays and bisexuals (it used, after all, to be just ‘LGB’ before it became ‘LGBTQ+’) that Stonewall was set up to defend have been all but abandoned by an organisation now pushing a divisive dogma", said Fanshawe.

    "Gathering all of us under one big ‘LGBT’ umbrella failed to recognise that sexual orientation and gender identity are two entirely different things - and that unlike the battles we fought 30 years ago, in this instance the rights of one section of this community can directly impact on the rights of another", he said.

    Parris said Stonewall had become "tangled up in the trans issue" and "cornered into an extremist stance".

    To redefine the meaning of homosexual, as Stonewall are trying to push, is the absolute summit of arrogance and an absolute insult to gay and bisexual people across the country.

    Nobody can "think" their way into a sexuality.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,275 ✭✭✭km991148


    Finally! Something interesting. Absolutely, why is that? Why is there a massive apparent pushback against trans people happening? Is it an easy target that galvanises a certain type? A useful diversion tactic that saves people looking at the deeper impact of how right wing politics continually screws people over? Maybe it's a convenient way to continually pit one marginalised group against another (womens rights being apparently eroded by trans rights [I don't believe they are]. Gay rights Vs trans rights etc etc). Or is it simply a good way to sell copy? It was certainly a convenient way to help Truss get elected, having these bigoted tropes ready to wheel out on TV..

    Previously incarnations of this tactic would be against the millennials or further back we'd all get a laugh out if the gays etc.


    See that's the thing that annoys me about the "just asking questions" brigade. It very much plays into the hands of a couple of very distinct demographics.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You deny the existence of everything.

    Just over the past couple of days on this thread:

    • denied that Mermaids has demonstrated a clear lack of safeguarding for children
    • denied that there's a conflict between gay rights and some trans rights
    • denied that there's a conflict between women's rights and some trans rights
    • denied that homosexual means same-sex attracted
    • denied that cancel culture, or something that at least approximates it, exists
    • denied that Mermaids were sending breast binders to children as young as 13 without the parent's consent
    • denied that it was inappropriate for an employee at a children's charity to have pornographic images on social media / dressing as a schoolgirl

    But you accept absolutely everything that is in alignment with the ideology you just conveniently happen to subscribe to. And in the post I've just quoted, what amount to nothing short of conspiracy theories are now being brought up to explain away the above legitimate and valid criticisms of your position.

    What's more likely? That everyone else is wrong - and all of the above in that list is just imaginary - or that it's just you who is right.

    I know which of the two is more likely. I think deep down, you understand perfectly well the inherent flaws in your positions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,275 ✭✭✭km991148


    The biggest denial yet... The contents of your post, what an absolute load of piffle. Your attempts to pigeonhole everything into basic, reductionist black and white thinking and your attempts to belittle are frankly frustrating.

    Your bulleted list (by the may I take a moment to congratulate on your formatting, it clearly means a lot to you, unfortunately prettying thing up doesn't improve the contents..) is factually incorrect. Its complete bait to keep the discussion on your terms. But you know this. You know I haven't denied any of those things. Your delusion is such that you think there is some wider audience that you are playing to and you are somehow successfully discrediting those that don't agree..it's gas!

    You think I somehow subscribe to "an ideology".. the words that have been spoonfed to you!

    You pretend to care about women's and children's rights, but you are unable to comprehend basic points about safety and well-being.

    I am not claiming some level of superior knowledge. I know there are many issues in the world, some even involving trans people and some even with points you raise. But you don't care about this at all. If someone dud actually care about these issues, there would be more discussion and less points scoring and soapboxing on regurgitated daily mail articles.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,939 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    This is indeed the bigger picture. My own suspicions are that the targeting of trans people is a combination of two factors;

    1) The Weakest Link - trans people are tiny in number, are already very vulnerable and facing huge challenges with family, workplace and more. They are the easy target to be picked up first, on a journey that will inevitably involve other minorities. We've seen sneering on this thread about marriage equality, so it's not hard to see who they will come after next, if they're allowed attack and suppress trans people.

    2) Personal ickiness level - some people just can't relate to or accept the idea that other people are trans. Despite that fact that it has zero impact on their lives (as confirmed by the Gender Recognition Acts operating quietly and successfully here for years, before the UK culture war was imported), the idea of 'dressing up' or 'having the op' or whatever else they mistakenly perceive being trans to be about, just wrecks their head so much, that they feel they have to lash out, like a cornered, snarling dog.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 28,939 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    There are no "employee at a children's charity to have pornographic images on social media / dressing as a schoolgirl" but don't let the facts hold back a good rant.

    If you had any decency, you'd be withdrawing your 'paedo' smears against that individual.



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