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Are there any credible conspiracy theories?

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,142 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    So two super secret groups of nazi demolition experts from Saudi setup the twin towers, another group setup wtc7, some other group fire a missile at the Pentagon and there is another group (Im going to suggest led by President Kiefer Sutherland from Designated Survivor) wires up the Capitol Building.

    But there has been zero leaks from any of these groups, nobody has ever found any evidence of their existence, and otherwise the idea only exists in your head?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,842 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    His contention was that theplane flew over the Pentagon but never actually hit while a totally different plane (which he identified as a different model) did the damage. I think. He flipping back and forth a lot when his claims painted himself into a corner and he stop answering questions about his theory.


    Weird how this seems to be a trend on this thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,386 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Whether it's CS here or the head of the internet conspiracy movement, 9/11 truthers avoid detailing the conspiracy for one very simple reason, it exposes that they have nothing. This is why they go to extremes to avoid providing details or timelines.

    It's the same for all "truthers". Whether it's Sandy Hook, the 7/7 London bombings, the Boston marathon bombings, the Charlie Hebdo attacks, you won't find any credible or cohesive theory behind any of them.

    That's because most of these are people who have decided something is a conspiracy first. They then employ a mixture of disbelief and twisted logic to pour doubt on the facts. If something can't be explained to them - that's proof a conspiracy occurred. If there are any coincidences, that's proof of a conspiracy occurred. If authorities or press or investigators made any mistake, that's proof a conspiracy occurred. If something strange has occurred that doesn't fit their simplistic views on how the world works, that's proof of a conspiracy.

    They don't anything from the ground up like any normal academic or scientific or investigative approach. They work backwards. And upside-down.

    Finally there are narcissist's who aren't exactly conspiracy theorists, but they are just individuals who can't grasp something, so it becomes impossible to them that the event happened. For example, there are people out there, no matter how many times it's explained, who cannot grasp that 1960's computers could take man to the moon. In the same way there are people who can't fathom how a building falls due to fire. They don't propose any alternative theory or endorse the conspiracies, because they can't. They are simply "stuck" on a loop because ultimately they can't process that they can't understand something. These people orbit the conspiracy theorists and both sides validate each other.

    The solution to tackling both is the same - ask to demonstrate the theory. If they can't, in any normal way, then it's only demonstrating one thing.

    Post edited by Dohnjoe on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,202 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Not just any old Nazis - Jewish Nazis. Secret ones.

    And yeah, apparently the plane missed the Pentagon and flew away. A 747 kinda dive bombed and flew away in the middle of Washington City and no one noticed. No word on what happened to the plane or the passengers as of yet but Cheerful is continuing his investigation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,208 ✭✭✭happyoutscan


    CS use of 'truthers' and 'we' is disturbing.

    Chap is living in cuckoo-land.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    There were three complete structural collapses in New York. Twin towers collapsed and a building seven collapsed hours later.  

    Building seven has all the hallmarks of a controlled implosion. Explosives inside building seven could have been set of wirelessly the technology was available back then,

    As to how the twin towers collapsed, it's complicated because of the dust. In this dust, there's evidence that some people put nano-thermite inside the structures before the collapse. It's a clever way to hide their dark deed, but they didn't expect so many people to investigate it later. Probably thought no one would ever suspect foul play.  



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,842 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    But cheerful, the study you posted about the dust proved it can't be thermite.

    You admitted this. You're completely rewriting reality now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    Here's the thing. This is the first time in human history a structure of this type has collapsed this way. There's your starting point. 

    You can't just say it collapsed because of fires inside. If that was the case, same buildings would start falling down whenever a fire erupted!

    In spite of plenty of details why the official narrative is wrong, prefer to ignore it. If the official study about the collapse got it so wrong, what does that tell you? Why you so confident was fire when NIST own structural models shows no freefall? Lack of understanding that freefall was is it? If structure is falling at freefall the only resistance is air thats it. How can NIST claim steel resistance and not specify how much? I never heard of a building falling through itself naturally. As the whole structure collapses, its top half crushes the lower half, but there's always concrete and steel to move out away. 

    On 9/11, the building structural rules don't apply because their top half didn't crush the lower half, it just smashed through it over 100 feet with no slowdown. That makes no sense unless there's some other energy pulverizing the concrete and steel. 

    Instead of claiming all conspirators believe the same stuff, stick to 9/11. Clearly pointed out numerous times the Boston marathon attack and 7/7 are genuine homegrown terrorist attacks. Now stop making the argument we all believe same things are true. 

    My theory is they were conspirators. The evidence shows seven building was not natural collapse. I try to think who could be behind and why.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    This is a weird case that's hard to pin down with facts. People described two different Boeings in the area. There some anomalies in the FDR that today are unexplained. The FDR shows the plane flew over the building and kept going.

    From both sides, witnesses saw a plane coming in. Photos inside the Pentagon indicate a plane crashed. Photos can be faked. Metal on the grass doesn't mean a plane crash, it just means something happened. It's not so hard to believe that someone could hijack a plane and get to Washington, it's how skilled they are. According to official story, the plane was flying at about twenty feet off the ground when it hit the Pentagon, allegedly flying at 500-600 mph ( that speed from memory). Personally, I don't think make sense, the pilot should be slowing that plane down that low to avoid missing his target. 

    Due to my knowledge pulled of a controlled demolition in New York, I'm open-minded.  My guess is they'll move Flight 77 to another area for eradication and extermination not that complicated since planes once took off from the airport, went missing off radar for long periods of time. We're willing to place explosives and nanothermite in buildings that can do a lot more in the air when air radar and defences are all but shut down. Before you say mad kill 30 to 40 passengers believe that? Conspirators killied thousands in New York they dont care. 



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    The official story doesn't mention that Atta had shady german friends and one of them was an international gangster with ties to criminal organizations and far right groups. All I know is that parts of it weren't discussed. An independent journalist conducted the investigation in Florida and spoke to people; and other training school heads and story is very odd. In a restaurant, Atta and some hijackers were arguing about money and owed it to family kept shouting about. This family's identity is a mystery. There's a narrative that these guys are devote Muslims. People in Flordia claimed would drink and smoke and and go to discos. Official story is a big lie. However, only real journalists on the ground found this out because big media is onboard with government lies. Then we have the cover ups of funding from Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, so these guys were well known to state actors before 9/11.

    As my opinion goes, the collapse of buildings was an operation based on intelligence gathered about the hijackers. Due to the complexity and state of power at the time, it's most likely a rogue group of neocons hijacked the event. I cant be sure so keep an open mind on who did it include ( international fascists) and Israel and maybe there a group i am unware of? 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,842 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    And again, these are supposed to be examples of the most credible conspiracy theories.

    This answers the question of the the OP pretty conclusively I think.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    As soon as the official story collapses, the credibility of the official story falls apart.

    A freefalling building means all the steel and concrete are gone. There's no resistance to slow it down. 

    NIST model of progressive collapse shows half the building was still providing resistance during the freefall ( unless you're completely blind and think that blue shaded area is cauliflower)  At this point, the full collapse is well underway, so the resistance highlighted in the NIST model is a big problem. 

    As a result of failing to understand Freefall originally happened, NIST then split the failure into three stages to hide the collapse implications. They had to slow the fall or else they would have be open with everyone was a controlled demolition. 

    With no stage 1 it was a controlled demolition and they know that.

    Model shows they're lying about everything since the west section of building is still slowing the fall at stage 2

    None of debunkers will ever explainn how the freefall occurred here in this screenshot since so convinced of the official narrative. Did the steel and concrete part ways like Moses did with the Red Sea?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,842 ✭✭✭✭King Mob




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,202 ✭✭✭✭The Nal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,386 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Caused by fire. No mystery, case is closed.

    You haven't presented any credible conspiracy theory. You might think Nazis and Jews and Arabs secretly blowing up towers with the US president is credible, but no one else here does.

    Spamming a made-up story doesn't make it any more credible either.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,386 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    I like how when Cheerful comes into a thread, all the other conspiracy theorists slowly back away and go silent. Not even they want to be associated with that level of fruitcakery.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,842 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Yea, weird how none of them seem all that interested in discussing conspiracy theories beyond the ones they personally buy into.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    It has been presented with credible theories, but if you are stuck in your own belief systems you won't even consider ANYTHING but what you believe. Cried like babies to have threads closed. Over the years, we have been going around in circles because you have not understood what freefall really means. Can any building engineer recall the last time they saw a building fall through itself naturally without any resistance whatsoever? NIST cant just say negligible resistance in their final report and then just walk from that. Resistance of any nature is not freefall. The freefall rate is 0% resistance. This is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to NIST's lying.

    My views were backed up one day by a guy with an engineering background. Building seven is important despite your denials because it suddenly lost all support across the whole building without any clear explanation. It is impossible for that to happen naturally. 



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    I have received a number of PMs from posters over the years stating they were not interested in 9/11 stuff to debate it , but wanted to know more about the problems. There are many complaints in PMs about how you derail threads and silly attacks. The truth is, some people are too afraid of confronting your bullshit openly in public. 



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,488 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    So it demonstrates that most conspiracy theorists have a lack of belief in their own thoughts.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    I am hearing this from the same individual who was exposed in JFK conspiracy threads and lied. 'Single bullet theory' is a lie based on a bullet tumbling on its side hitting Connally in the back. Nal's lie was obviously based on an after-surgery wound that was not apparent to him. As a result, you went after Doctor Shaw Connally and accused him of lying, saying that the bullet wound was 3cm before surgery and again exposed.. The Kennedy debunkers betrayed you and what you read was a lie. 

    Historically, Kennedy debunkers have claimed that Connally's back wound was 3cm, which explains the Carcano thumbling claims that it exited Kennedy's throat. Reality is that wound was only 1.5cm confirmed by DR shaw numerous times. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,202 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Oh good, Cheerful is back.

    Exposed, lol. Time waster.

    We've been through this but you can grasp simple facts so Im not interested in going through it again




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    This is an image that you uploaded to prove the official version of the story.

    An important part of the image is the entry wound.

    Nal and Kennedy debunkers claimed for decades that the Connally wound was 3cm ( 1.25 inches)

    As a result, you were caught unaware that the bullet caused a 1.5cm wound, and that the 3cm wound was an enlargement of that wound by DR Shaw during surgery.

    The length of the Carcano bullet is 3cm, so how can it be the same bullet? What you can't comprehend here is that the hole in the right shoulder was only 1.5cm in length, not 3cm.

    In order to fit with the official theory, the wound had to be 3 cm. Many people fail to look at all the reports and notice that DR Shaw said it was 1.5 cm before he touched it.

    It all fit nicely into the cover-up since Debunkers had a wound of 3cm and Carcano 3cm in length. Debunkers of course lying about that wound for long time. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,386 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    According to you, JFK was killed by: LBJ, Cuban exiles, the FBI, the Mafia, Zapruder, Willis and World War 2 Nazi's

    Any change to that one or still sticking with that list?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,202 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Shaw: The wound on his back –- yes, it was long enough so that there might have been some tumbling.

    Case closed Cheerful. Case closed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    How you fail to address my point that the wound caused by a bullet was 1.5cm not 3cm?

    How DR Shaw a ballistic expert?

    DR Shaw, a medical expert, was not informed of the different sizes of Carcano bullets .

    Asked him would 3cm in length bullet make a 1.5cm hole tumbling sideways you would end up with a different response. A bullet with a length of 3cm will create the same size hole. 



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    There is a clear discrepancy between the official report and what I am pointing out. DR Shaw never claimed the Connally wound on his right shoulder was 3cm.. DR Shaw pointed out numerous times in different testimony was 1.5cm.

    Debunkers have over decades and seen with the image Nal uploaded claimed the bullet wound matched the length of Carcano bullet. Case closed.

    No, that's a lie, and Dr Shaw always said he enlarged the 1.5cm wound to 3cm when he operated on him. What does lying about the trajectory of the bullet tell you?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,386 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Is the below correct or not?

    According to you, JFK was killed by: LBJ, Cuban exiles, the FBI, the Mafia, Zapruder, Willis and World War 2 Nazi's

    Any change to that one or still sticking with that list?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    Address the evidence here. Why do you think the debunkers lied here?

    Would we be more inclined to trust a highly respected surgeon at Parkland Hospital than people who lied about what he said?

    A bullet caused a 1.5cm wound on the right shoulder. Debunkers lied about that and used the wound after surgery to claim something else, but that's the official story. 



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  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,297 ✭✭✭hometruths


    When I first heard the idea that Boris Johnson was encouraging his supporters to back Liz Truss because he thought she was guaranteed to blow up in short order, and open up a chance of his return I thought that was a ridiculous conspiracy theory.

    it's looking pretty credible now!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    There is nothing wrong with pointing out flaws in official stories. We lost a lot of ourselves over Covid, yes, but it was a small thing. Personally, I am not anti-vaccine or anything like that, so stay out of medical threads. As far as I am concerned, Covid is a real disease, not made up to make you believe its existence.

    There is no doubt that UFOS, 9/11, and JFK were genuine conspiracies, but UFOs are less fringe today due to the US government's involvement in these events, so debunkers have a hard time now going against authority. It's just in their nature to try. If you've been around long enough, you might remember the same debunker logic for UFOS that persists in these forums to this day. While 9/11 disbelief was bad, UFOS disbelief was worse in the past, amazing how 3 years of government involvement in admitting there may be some strange unknowns flying about can change the narrative.

    What dont understand about building seven and debunker objections. Essentially, freefall is just dropping something from an airplane or a building and allowing gravity to do the rest.

    In my opinion, the truthers' questions regarding freefall are not irrelevant and unimportant. Even if the underlying structure is weak or in a state of collapse, must be some pushback if a building collapses. Truther arguments are not weak because NIST had no understanding of the nature of the collapse from the beginning. Denying freefall is not an umimportant thing. In the revision of the draft paper, it was claimed there was a stage of freefall between two collapse points. Since most people are unware what NIST says believe falsely claimed freefall.

    In their argument, they claim the underlying structure provided negligible resistance. There must be a definition of resistance in a report otherwise people will think you're hiding something. The west side of the building has a lot of resistance that makes freefall impossible in their finite models. NIST's modeling of the final collapse shows no freefall, which makes me think things are made up as they go along. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,386 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    You claim something else happened on the day, what is that something else?

    If you have no interest in explaining your own conspiracy theory on a conspiracy theory forum, okay, not really anything to discuss.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,202 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    You really fail to grasp anything.

    You also have cowardly dodged dozens of questions on the subject including Dohnjoes above. Have a look at all the questions you ignored in the last few pages of the JFK thread. Pathetic.

    It's why you get banned from every thread you frequent. You're a time waster.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    Constantly denounce truthers as cranks and fraudsters while Mick admitted on his podcast that Truthers have done an excellent job exposing some of NIST's flawed logic. Mick a well known 9/11 debunker.

    Despite the fact that it is not limited to this case, according to NIST, this area where the collapse began has a very significant impact. Mick has his own ideas about collapse outside of NIST, but never submits them for peer review. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,488 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Did you quote me by accident because the ranting waffle had practically nothing to do with what I said?



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,142 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    So a building fell down and you don't like the official story about how long it took to fall down. Wonderful, but what is the conspiracy?

    Why does it matter if the building fell down in X seconds or X+1 seconds? Why would the reports on what happened leave glaring clues to something being amiss for you to discover and expose their conspiracy? What were they conspiring to do by making a building fall down at one speed and report on it having fallen down at another speed? What does anyone gain from that?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    A 9/11 debunker from Metabunk says truthers have done a thorough job addressing column 79 failure. What does that tell you? All their objections are valid.

    Mick fails on the idea that the collapse in NIST report was triggered by the connection at column 79. In his own mind, he is making claims about other failures that are out of the scope of NIST's work. According to NIST, the failure of the connection at 79 triggered the failure of the other girders and not the other way around, which confused Mick.

    The connection does not fail, there is no progressive collapse as NIST claims. Mick's admission that all findings at column 79 are valid raises questions about the collapse itself. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,202 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    You replied to a post about JFK with a load of waffle about 9/11.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,842 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    This is one of the fatal questions about the conspiracy. It's one of the ones conspiracy theorists are terrified of and will do everything in their power to avoid answering or knowledging. Simply because it exposes how silly and pointless their argument is.

    They need the notion of X+1 seconds to be true so that there's shocking and attention getting clues and claims.

    But it doesn't make any sense for the conspiracy to work that way. If the American government wanted to fake a terrorist attack, the simplest way for them to do so would have been to fly planes into buildings. There's no need for them to add super secret magic explosives to go off in perfect timing to make the building fall to look like a controlled demolition.

    But if the conspiracy theory is that boring, then it's not as fun or attention getting to suggest it. So they have to bend over backwards to invent new aspects to the conspiracy to justify all of the silly ****.

    AFAIR, cheerful's contention was that they needed to demolish the buildings with thermite so the CIA or whoever could destroy secret paper documents at the buildings. Cause you know, there was no other way for them to get rid of documents.


    There is a reasonable, rational and I dare say credible version of the 9/11 conspiracy theory, but no conspiracy theorists are actually interested in it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    Not liking the official story.  

    Buildings collapse all the time due to different reasons. Buildings of this type this steel frame have never happened ever in history and certainly never at freefall acceleration. In light of the fact that this was a first in history, official details about the collapse have proven to be deeply flawed and suspect, you have to look at conspiracy. The official report authors went out of their way to remove construction on girders, as Mick pointed out. You don't think it's suspect the girder failed without this construction? In relation to Column 79, NIST claimed a girder/beam interlocked with it moved off its position during thermal expansion leading to the collapse of other steel girders. It has been admitted by Mick that NIST removed stiffener plates and shear studs and even got seat sizes wrong and other things that would prevent girders from moving. To people like you, it's unimportant, but to others, it shows a lack of interest in finding out the truth or covering it up what actually happened?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,386 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    So you don't like the established version of events, something that is in the history books and taught in schools all over the world. You've decided that you "know more" than everyone else about this event. But you can't explain what alternative happened in any detail.

    How do we know you aren't some crazy person making stuff up like Alex Jones?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    An overview of the events

    Around 2003, NIST was given the task to examine what happened to the building. It took them until 2008 to draft a report, which did not mention that the building collapsed at freefall for a period of time.

    According to the truther argument, all the columns were there across the building and in a flash they were all gone, causing the building to undergo a freefall period.

    At the draft conference Aug 2008, a physic teacher in the truth movement was able to engage in a question and answer session. Asked NIST why is there no freefall mention in your report?

    Answer back was this and provided video of this exchange of minds.

    NIST: [A] free-fall time would be an object that has no structural components below it.... What the analysis shows...is that same time it took for the structural model to come down...is 5.4 seconds. It’s about 1.5 seconds, or roughly 40 percent, more time for that free fall to happen. And that is not at all unusual because there was structural resistance that was provided in this particular case.”

    Using their model, they excluded freefall due to a time delay of 5.4 seconds

    . Freefall means that all structural resistance underneath goes away instantly, and the only way to accomplish that is through controlled demolition

    The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) published a revised final report in November 2008 and stated that freefall takes place in stages. In the final report, it is claimed that the freefall is acceptable only after the final columns are buckled. It went from impossibility to possibility in a matter of months. In that report, they claim there is still resistance but don't clarify what they mean (resistance is resistance). Only NIST understands what they mean since they don't specify. It is apparent from their own computer modelling that this is all imagination and made up since we can see where there should be a freefall happening and the buckling is still occurring below. The final report of NIST was a fraud meant to conceal the real implications of what happened to steel columns inside building 7. 



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,142 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Yeah, we get that you think a building fell down in a weird way.


    But why?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,386 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    It is clear that some individuals pre-rigged the steel columns so they would collapse. The fact that NIST was unaware of the freefall is plenty of evidence, and research proves it. NIST couldn't imagine there would be no resistance beneath, which is why they dismissed the truther question in the first place. In case of freefall, all columns would simultaneously lose all connectional support, so NIST had to take steps to find a solution. They have weak arguments since their modelling shows actual collapse stages without freefall. When their modelling shows no freefall, why would you believe words on paper?

    It's impossible to tell why these individuals did what they did on 9/11, but we can guess, but we'll never know for sure why it happened. There are a lot of strange anomalies that don't make sense like fires burning for months, unexplained high heat pockets, and weird leaks coming out of towers melting. Finding some steel pieces with holes in them very strange for office fires. Office buildings usually contain wood, paper, and plastic, not high burning materials. FEMA also had a report about rare melting events, you dont see this in other buildings caught fire. There is something wrong with the official narrative that this building is somehow falling apart because of a few failed connections. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,488 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    You forgot to precede your spiel with “in my opinion”, because it is not clear to logically thinking people.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    This is a first in history for a steel framed building to collapse due to fire at freefall acceleration and yet we have evidence that this trigger event may have been wrong. 

    Which one of us is crazy?

    As a public interest matter, NIST should explain to us what happens to that girder with all connections on. I suspect that never happen because NIST refuses to release their data because of a bogus national security claim. Firstly, you need to understand that collapses are rare events and nobody can repeat their work in a scientific way. It is incredible that no one has questioned the validity of this study for twenty years when the results can't be downloaded and analyzed. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,202 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    How did they rig the two biggest skyscrapers in the world while staying undetected?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    According to Truthers, nanothermite can be found in dust. This eliminates the need for the towers to be rigged by explosives.

    There could be failures based on the weight and volume that this was packed in with steel. Melting connections all over the place will lead to many failures inside the towers. Plus, nanothermite reacts to fire, so it would make sense to use a revolutionary explosive. Due to the nanoscale nature of the chips, it would be hard to see them with the naked eye. Very hard to detect unless you have right lab equipment. Dr. Neil Harris also noticed this gas type release after ignition (which may explain why the tower opened up like a mushroom cloud) a lot of steel was pushed out sideways to street blocks need a lot of pressure and force to push steel away from their collapsed positions. It would also explain the melting anomalies and why fires wouldn't extinguish under normal water pressure. There are chemicals igniting that take ages to extinguish in rubble piles.

    For seven. This looks more implosion from beneath. What stuff used here unknown guess at most. 



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