Clontarf to City Centre Cycle & Bus Priority Project discussion (renamed)

I never thought fairview/marino mart, was a a problem to cycle, it should not be there is plenty of room to have a cycle lane off the road using the path and even the park there - the issue I found was further on on North Strand! being a bit more congested..

I'd say it's the worst place to cycle in Dublin maybe. Going out of town especially along where Bru is and where Marino College is and the turn onto Malahide Road. Couldn't be worse for cyclists.

well you can't go through it at night for one and you have to cross the road when coming out of town to get into it and then cross over again

That pedestrian crossing sequence is bloody daft as well, especially coming from the park side. Can take a good few minutes to get across with the way it's done.

What exactly are you suggesting? Something different than's already planned?

If you want to take more of the park, it probably requires felling trees, and people do not want trees taken down for a cycle path.

They don't want to listen, and they'll just keep complaining about the cycle lane.

I think it's actually going to slow my commute down, but it's not about making it better for just me. It's going to encourage more people who otherwise wouldn't have used the route. And it's also part of making Fairview park safer and more appealing to people.

The did it without consultation, yet you knew about it from the consultation?

The changes were well marked in the plans, they even did a document highlighting the stops that were changing/removing

https://www.dublincity.ie/sites/default/files/2022-09/C2CC%20Bus%20Stops%201.pdf

Whatever about the timeline, there's a bus stop 250m either side of that one isn't there? What's the logic for keeping it? You've at most (for the people living exactly equidistant), added 250m to their commute, they're getting a bus so it's not like their destination is door to door like a taxi anyway, they'll be walking when they get off the other side.

It's 300m either side actually.

The globally recommended guidelines for bus stop spacing is 400m. North Strand gets 600m, 50% higher than guidelines.

Obviously you're going to respond that guidelines are based on nothing, therefore they should be ignored. I've accepted these stops are gone, so let's move on.

Do you also think it's good planning that the bus stop at Preston Street is being removed despite Irish Rail having submitted planning to open a new Connolly entrance at.... you guessed it .....Preston Street?........

What's done is done indeed.

At this stage, what amazes me is that no one seems to take issue with DCC breaking guidelines by 50% without any consultation, proper notice or providing any data whatsoever that justifies why they broke guidelines.

If you're going to be pedantic at least get it right. You referred to the old red numbers instead of the green ones which show a new spacing of 592m between those stops.

I would argue that the permanent removal of a bus stop is a very important issue for the people it impacts. For a Luas stop, an enormous amount of consultation and planning goes into stop positioning, but DCC have a free hand to do what they like. I'm not okay with that. Most people here seem to be, which is fine.

Either making the existing cycle lane which is on pavement on the east side of the road a little bit bigger, either by adding a bit from the park. Or using one of the routes (howth road to annesley bridge) inside the park as the cycle lane - putting it on the road way adds volume which could be avoided. Would not require that much trimming of the trees!