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The Pushback against Leftism

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  • Registered Users Posts: 41,062 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    There more to it though. Its deliberate trans bashing for a reason.

    If those on the right/far right keep talking about trans issues its a deliberate ploy. They know talking about trans issues causes lots of fights and a distraction to all the huge economic inequalities in the world.

    They know trans people are a small enough minority that struggle to fight back too. Thats why they coopt the useful idiots cis lgb people and feminists too.

    Its all to cause division amongst the broad progressive left and distract from all negative effects of right wing economic policy.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,960 ✭✭✭Shoog


    It's basic right wing psychology, create and attack a minority outgroup as a way of galvanizing support among your base. It's basic physchological button pushing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,436 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure



    there are though:

    a kaleidoscope of pornographic poses by Mermaid’s Digital Engagement Manager, Darren Mew. It features 11 shots of of Mew’s erect penis, one of his anus and several disembodied cartoon-like breasts, on a dreamy pink and blue background of flowers and clouds.

    Posted on Twitter (by an LGBT lifestyle mag)

    Darren Mew also posted the picture below to Instagram. It features Mew dressed in school-girl-style long knee-socks and plaid skirt, leaning back with legs spread, on what looks like a pink and blue bed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,939 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    There aren’t though, unless school uniforms in your area are dramatically different to mine. When was the last time you say a school uniform like that?

    There’s nothing illegal about posting nudes. Twitter and OnlyFans are bursting with such photos.

    None of these justify the paedo smears on this thread.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,436 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure



    There are no "employee at a children's charity to have pornographic images on social media

    so, first point conceded then?

     / dressing as a schoolgirl"


    When was the last time you saw a school uniform like that?

    just now, when I googled "school uniform tartan white socks" (the bottom half anyway)...

    I wonder, what look was he going for, if it wasn't school uniform inspired



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  • Registered Users Posts: 82,511 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Rich people in power constantly telling them to be scared of the boogie man



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,511 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    As predicted folks he completely abandoned his previous auxtrage



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,825 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    Trans trans trans trans trans.

    Some of you guys are really fixated on this one topic.

    Thank god there is no other major social issues of our time and you can dedicate all your time to thinking about and arguing about the trans people and the major negative effects they have on society. Such as.... And eh or I mean......

    Nonsense.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,511 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    What school girl uniform involves a print tee?



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,939 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    There is no first point. There's one point @eskimohunt has repeatedly been playing the 'schoolgirl' card for days now, and building it into a 'paedo' slur, with absolutely nothing to base it on. I've no idea what 'look he was going for', but it doesn't look anything like any schoolgirl I've ever encountered. If that's the kind of stuff you're seeing when you Google, then perhaps your own search history is the problem



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,436 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Some of you guys are really fixated on this one topic.

    not at all, just passing time



  • Registered Users Posts: 41,062 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,511 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users Posts: 41,062 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭ShowMeTheCash


    So I recenly listening to someone talk on left vs right wing ideaologies.

    Now granted most of this is stemming from America and spreading like a virus but what was talked about I thought has some value.

    Historically you have had people with conservative right of centre ideas and all that entails all the way to extreme right wing. Then you have liberal left of centre ideas all the way to radical left . The balance used to be to debate these ideas and let the "good ideas" win out!

    The issue we see today means none of this happens!

    We have two cults that really do not care what the other has to say.

    The cults spend more time in their own echo chambers becoming more and more extreme aruging over their own ideas.

    On the right you have anti-science conspiricy thinking loonatics

    On the left you have dragon slayers redefining rules making logic impossible.


    The push back on the left is primaily due to the notion that liberalism use to be associated with progressive thinking but both cults are now regressive and the middle has been removed!



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,511 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,960 ✭✭✭Shoog


    Indeed, who gets oppressed by Liberalism ?


    This sort of reframing is disingenuous, the right have had control of the thrust of economic development since the 1960's - they have been highly successful in making anything but Neo-Liberalism unacceptable to even contemplate. The problem is it has failed to deliver on its promises but has dragged the whole political spectrum to the right. The re-framing is an attempt to claim that the extremes of the NeoLiberal failure are somehow matched by people who espouse a social democratic liberal model - a model which has actually delivered social stability and steady economic growth in all the countries who have adhered to it. There is almost no far-left parties in power in the western world and yet they are the source of the general social collapse we see in developed countries. Its pathetic pseudo intellectualism from closet right wingers.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭ShowMeTheCash


    Well there is an argument to be had that people who think they sit on the liberal left in-fact are not liberal but this comes under my comment of "redefining rules".

    To give an example many liberals think equal oppertunities and equality of outcome are mutually exclusive. But in reality to get equlity of outcome you need to remove equal oppertunities. Hence the latter becomes regressive!

    Another examples can include racism/sexism/abuse, the redefining of these terms and the rules around them have arguably had a regressive impact even if the inital intention was for good. My very post is arguably mansplaining!



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭ShowMeTheCash


    1,000,000 Irish starved to death duing the famine at the hands of what was considered a very liberal government who thought that the "free-market" should not be interfered with by government.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,960 ✭✭✭Shoog


    I don't actually know of any liberal who advocates for equality of outcome - equality of opportunity is the removal of systematic blocks to achieving an individuals best potential - there is no expectation that everyone will end up equal in outcomes. Its called a straw man argument because it argues against a fiction created for the sole purpose of been defeated.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,960 ✭✭✭Shoog


    You have a confusion going on there - free market thinks are the opposite of Liberal thinkers. You confuse Libertarian with liberal - two entirely different beasts.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,511 ✭✭✭✭Overheal



    It’s because some folks need to view the left as being Marxist/communist etc. in order to mount opposition to its actual platforms like diversity and inclusion.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭ShowMeTheCash


    There isn't?

    The gender pay gap is a real push of equality of outcome, something almost every leader in the free world has talked about.

    Or is this a straw-man also?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭ShowMeTheCash


    ok you are just saying silly stuff now.

    free market thinkers are not the opposite of liberal thinkers. You seem to be falling into the same trap as a lot of "liberal thinkers" in that you are not thinking!

    You have claissic liberalism in the US or econmic liberalism here which includes the market economy with indivudual human rights but liberalism also changes within the prism of history.

    What was liberal in the 1847 maybe a little different today.

    I do not have the time to give a history lesson however, I was just giving the example how how liberal "thinking" had a hand to play in the irish famine.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,393 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    This and previous similar posts are not your insights rather just the way you wish to spin the whole thing.

    First of all as to why trans is popping up all the time these days is because there are multiple issues around it and subsequently multiple issues reported in the press regularly that keeps the discussions going.. Sport, transition surgery, what is taught in schools, women's spaces inc toilets and prisons, the platforming of drag queens to kids, the infighting that goes in the gay world, the promotion of multiple genders, the promotion of multiple sex's, gender fluidity aka gender ideology. Surely I've forgotten something, oh yes, GR cert no questions asked. To say that this is all a distraction from other issues is laughable nonsense as some I see are saying now.

    All people like you do is frame this as a right wing backlash but the vast majority of members of the LGBA are not right wing. Those orgs consistently say this isn't a left/right thing at all. Tough luck if the right join in, the left certainly have as well.

    When I posted that BBC podcast all I got back almost instantly was who's to say they're not a Lesbian as if to say gawd you're so narrow minded you must be a right wing fascist, and that reaction is because youz are all just right wing fascist hunting and have no intention of thinking about anything in any depth because that would get in the way of your MO. That tactic is not getting you anywhere so fire away.

    On your second paragraph people will not accept that people are born into the wrong body and neither do they accept that transition surgery changes anyone's sex, so shoot them. Everything stems from that. It has nothing to do with ickyness though the fact you mention that seems to indicate you feel some ickness yourself. And isn't ickyness a natural reaction rather than a though process like being turned off rotting food etc. So totally natural (not a popular idea these days I know), not any indication of anything else.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,511 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    It was liberal to let a million people starve to death?


    Liberalism is concerned with giving everyone basic human support.


    Your assertion that the plantation government was liberal for watching a million people starve to death is puzzling.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭ShowMeTheCash


    No I sit on the left politically I am not opposed to liberal ideas my argument is that the stupidy by the left is making things worse not better!

    People are making it less inclusive and less diverse... I wrote a whole bit on it, cults and echo chambers...

    The left thinks it's fighting the "right"... It's not it's just fighting with itself.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,960 ✭✭✭Shoog


    Equality of opportunity going on there - people doing equal jobs getting equal pay. Nothing about everyone getting equal pay in advocacy for equal pay for women.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,511 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Are you not othering the left with this statement and furthering the echo chambers?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 21,569 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


     'the stupidy by the left is making things worse not better'

    Can you point to examples of this stupidity that has led to legislation or governmental policy which you think is making things worse?

    As far as I can see, the things that are negatively impacting people and societies worldwide are much more likely to come from right wing ideologies, t varying degrees.

    But so much of the conversation around political ideologies is focused on inconsequential views or comments either from, or quite frequently, attributed to the left by a media eager to deflect peoples attention.



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