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Gangland Shootings part 4 - Read OP before posting - updated 30/12/23

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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,344 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    There was a story in one of the red top rags about her employer hiring security to escort her to work when everything kicked off after the Regency. Sounds like nonsense though. You see they cant get rid of her for who she is related to but vetting wasnt up to much obviously.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,379 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    His plumbing business is not legitimate, he was hit a few years ago for employing non registered plumbers and passing himself off as RGI registered.



  • Registered Users Posts: 987 ✭✭✭Pinoy adventure


    It’s a way of washing cash for git as well as multiple other businesses in the cabra area.

    just look at some of the so called instructors there (twins for example) are enforcers for git and have being for years.



  • Registered Users Posts: 249 ✭✭Spencer101


    There’s a limit to vetting. Most if not all of his children don’t use his surname. The two daughters have got some publicity but you rarely if ever see name of what think is youngest son in media. Don’t think I’ve ever seen the name of his brother. Any statement the children would make about their own probity would be true. The professional firm concerned would have owed a duty of care to the daughter and also her colleagues. All had ring of truth to me.



  • Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭Thorsbeard1982


    Not their fault who their dad is.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 165 ✭✭spider baby 172


    You have to remember she was employed there before 2016, the Monk wasn't in the news then. He was "retired" for all intents and purposes. She is married to a man that is not from the criminal world and doesn't seem to court any public attention good or bad. She cant be blamed for what her surname is.



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    i wonder if he got a golden pair of handcuffs from the gardai on his 'retirement'?

    She cant be blamed for what her surname is.

    that is true



  • Registered Users Posts: 249 ✭✭Spencer101


    She appeared in the media a little before 2016 with the husband. Might have been to support husband who has a modest public profile. Since 2016 for obvious reasons keeps private. The husband was in media in 2020 when they sold their previous house. Article just said his (unnamed) fiancé who unlike him wasn’t named or pictured didn’t want any publicity.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,059 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    I’m not going to speak to this specific case, but in general issues like this have become more relevant for financial institutions and background checks are in place for most roles. Now how deep those checks go increase depending on the type of role.

    Now the main focus is on competence and capabilities of the individual but has a section on criminal convictions. Not only that there are adverse media checks for a significant number of positions.

    While smaller firms would use google to do this, most medium to large firms use companies like Lexus Nexis, Thompson Reuters, Bloomberg etc. The level of detail that these return are incredible. Newspaper articles, court reports, etc all there.

    Although a person might have nothing to do with a relative involved in crime or might have gone straight but I’m sure it prohibits people getting jobs.

    Every time I get to use these searches I put in my name and breathe a sigh of relief that as of yet all that comes up is my appearance on six one news talking about an anti money laundering case and more recently my time on first dates. But my best anecdote on this is when we found out that a guy going for a very senior position in an investment firm had done 12 years in the States for a violent crime.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 249 ✭✭Spencer101


    Don’t think there is any suggestion that the children have lived other than honest lives. Presumably they didn’t go mad visiting most of their Hutch cousins growing up. Believe their mother is some sort of relative to a Kinahan associate murdered in 2018 and likewise they were you’d guess kept away from part of that side of the family.



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    wasn't Fat Freddie a public servant for a short while with access to car reg details?



  • Registered Users Posts: 249 ✭✭Spencer101


    Don’t think it was him. Was it Christopher Kinahan junior



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,059 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Im sure back in the day, background checks on different people were lax to non existent. But my point is that in recent times the checks on people (including family members and associates) for particular roles are fcucking crazy. There has been pushback from lobby groups regarding the right to privacy and application of Data Protection but doesn’t seem to have slowed it down.

    Without going into any details I was asked to do a quick check on a potential fund invested. The criminal conviction check came out clean and they expected a rubberstamp by me.

    A quick search of his name brought me on a journey straight out of a John Grisham novel. The guy was legitimately a bad guy from a bond movie. Think Christopher Walken from a View to a Kill. Altruistic contributor to charities and causes around the world but make no mistake the connection between legitimate business and groups who caused war. I presented my findings orally and they were accepted, but my contract wasn’t renewed shortly after.

    But as a way to get round this, I reckon that non connected people in positions in financial services/legal firms/accountancy firms etc are preyed on until they fcuck up like a drug debt and forced into doing things. Bit like the dentist in Love/Hate but not as explicit.



  • Registered Users Posts: 987 ✭✭✭Pinoy adventure


    No choco was stabbed.

    git is over in Spain/Dubai the last while



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,059 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    One of the most surprising things I’ve read is Ms Justice Byrne telling counsel that the Special Criminal Court has a full calendar and if any delay could see any trial put back for a significant time.

    The requirement to have a non jury trial should have the highest bar possible. If being used incorrectly for cases could see a challenge to its existence outright.

    Although initially intended for paramilitary type cases, it had also considered subversive or organised crime type cases. The fact that challenges for dismissal have already been disregarded because the case didn’t originate from the District Court is a challenge waiting to happen. This is new territory for all involved and technicalities are going to play a huge part imo.

    One thing that has always confused me is the fact that the abolition of the Special Criminal Court was one of the main policies of the party, the fact that they have abstained on the vote to renew its jurisdiction for the last two years and removing it from its manifesto doesn’t make sense.or does it?



  • Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭Thorsbeard1982


    Until someone in their camp turns informer most of these bigwigs will go unpunished.

    All allegedly of course.

    Crazy to think with all the people sentenced that none have thought to do a deal..... That we know of.



  • Registered Users Posts: 471 ✭✭utmbuilder


    I am seeing a lot of talk as is everyone else of "3 for 50" on tiktok along with people who are greatly effected by Crack and Rock as it appears to have taken control of a lot of areas. Its digusting to see.

    I thought for decades rock didnt really arrive here in Ireland, is it the vaccum of power and no one in control which has had the city flooded with this posion over recent years?

    Will it ever go away it appears to be nastyer than even H, I could be wrong. The people recovering form it don't look like people who grew up in drug filled areas such as was the case in the 90's. Are our recovery services any match for crack?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,059 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    There is a good episode about it on Drug Lords on Netflix where Jemeker Thompson was interviewed. When asked why so popular, she smirked and says it’s 50 times stronger, cheaper and the most addictive thing in the world. She got 15 years I think. Could be all dramatised but she went to see her son instead of leaving and got snared.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,059 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Big arrest in fungerola earlier. Italian guy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 113 ✭✭Shamrock21


    Papers reporting that Spud will face more charges for passing information. Any ideas what kind of sentence that would incur?



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,059 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Well more likely he will get his remission removed and have to complete his sentence without early release. Rare you get consecutive sentences to run after. You’d think he’d be keeper his head down or maybe trying to be useful to be safe

    But if I was a betting man it was for something completely different.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,344 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    It'll be the stripping of his pension entitlements that will hurt the hungry bollicks.

    Only one thing worse than a crook and its a bent copper.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,059 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Well I think state pensions are suspended while inside but get all back payments once out. If there are any injured parties related to the offence convicted of they get damages out of it.

    Had a look to see if there are any cases on it and there was one in 2018 where an ould lad overturned an application and got his pension while inside.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,344 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    His Garda pension is what I'm referring to. He wouldn't qualify for the SCC Pension anyway.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,344 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    Strange content to be fair. It's an opinion piece by that tweeter. Obviously has a bit invested in it and they fall well in the Hutch camp.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,059 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Your right. The minister of Finance has the power to remove or suspend? Now I wonder if a person was married or had dependents would that be taken into consideration.

    i literally have no clue about pensions



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,059 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Be a very strange situation If there was a pre trial application or before D gets to give evidence for admissibility and he gets a free pass but doesn’t have to give it. The witness protection programme has no statutory basis so more than likely just a contract or quashing conviction



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