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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Depends on what you define as square one.

    It's back to square one in terms of the planning permission, but not necessarily the design.

    GCC may opt to just lash it back in as-is because ABP approved the existing design already. However they are now aware of the 2 challenges it faces so may opt to alter the design.

    There's also the fact that any future application will be assessed against the climate action plan. This is where it'll run into trouble and will struggle to get approved. How they might try to mitigate against that risk, who knows.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,800 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Mairead Farrell was questioned on this in 2020 general election debate.

    Do you support the Galway ring road? There was a pause and then "not in its current form".



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,014 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    No, it does not have to go back to square one, or anything like it.

    The Environmental Impact Statement needs to be updated for the parameters of the national climate action plan and to demonstrate the overall emissions reductions that alleviating traffic congestion in the City will produce. Simple job, resubmit to ABP in the new year.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,014 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    So did FF and FG. Doesn't mean they won't ride roughshod over it when necessary. Like now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,014 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34




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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The planning documents for the project admitted it would lead to an increase in emissions, not a reduction.

    I'm not sure tippex would stand up to legal challenge



  • Registered Users Posts: 482 ✭✭rustyfrog


    The blame is with the City Council Executive IMO. They're all from rural county councils, they don't know how to plan for a city. They've pinned everything on this silver bullet "one more road" project.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,107 ✭✭✭✭ben.schlomo


    By the amount you're posting it would appear that you may the be the upset individual. Doesn't matter a jot to me.



  • Registered Users Posts: 370 ✭✭MaxFlower


    Easy to see why Galway is struggling with this issue for years. Two people who purport to have Galway's best interest at heart go on the national airways and are utterly divided (only thing they agreed on was the incorrect number of bridges across the city). Blinkered and unable to compromise while talking over each other. Not to mention neither are in any position to influence the top table. That interview is forgettable.

    Divided we stand.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,169 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Good discussion on Katie Hannon today. She got a huge amount of texts and emails about the Galway planning. People should contact their local TDs and tell them what they think of the ongoing delays.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,276 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    The green party front and center, remember them at election time folks, starve them of transfers.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,426 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    That's never going to happen. Policy has evolved beyond it, regardless of who is in power, there's no going backwards now. Have you had a look at thenrate of species extinction lately? Or you just don't care?



  • Registered Users Posts: 482 ✭✭rustyfrog




  • Registered Users Posts: 12,107 ✭✭✭✭ben.schlomo


    55% against currently, for those without Twitter access.



  • Registered Users Posts: 482 ✭✭rustyfrog


    Looks like it's narrowing to a pretty even split.



  • Registered Users Posts: 86 ✭✭sasal




  • Registered Users Posts: 18,573 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    In relation to the quashed planning this week.

    Living in Galway almost twenty years at this stage and this project has been going on that long and longer.


    There is absolutely no point in revisiting s ring road. Tens of millions have gotten us nowhere and there will always be a lobby group or group of objectors that will go all the way to stop it. With a project of this size and complexity unless the entire process is completely water tight some legal or procedural anomaly with the documentation or process will alway be found by a group with the motivation to delay or ultimately stop it.


    Plans for housing on top of existing houses in towns and villages just outside the city as well as significantly development in the city are going to add significantly to the traffic problems the city has.


    The city has shown itself to be totally incompetent when it comes to planning public travel and cycle infrastructure with the Salthill cycle way being the latest.


    It's obvious to me that things are not going to improve in the place for decades. If you can accept that and find a way for yourself to tolerate it or make things better for you, great. If not it's probably time to look at alternative life and work arrangements.

    I would have been heavily in favour of this infrastructure however with the reality that it will never be built the focus has to move to other solutions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 275 ✭✭the_galway_fry


    what other solutions??


    galway is like an hourglass all trying to go through one narrow gap .nothing will remove the cars .people cant move houses or where they work .

    the fact that most of these idiots who protest against this road dont even live here is ridiculous



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,387 ✭✭✭xckjoo


    Solution is not to design transport infrastructure around private cars. Horse has already bolted with a lot of scattered housing around the county. They'll probably always need cars to get to their front doors, but we can have transport hubs in areas outside the city (e.g Moycullen or Claregalway) where people move from cars to more efficient transport like PT. People in denser population areas closer to city centre might get away without ever needing a car.

    Don't think there's any truth to the people against the ring road not being from/living in Galway. You see the same couple of people trotting it out when they've no actual arguments in favor of the road to make. Plays on people's emotions and tribalism but doubt there's any truth to it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,276 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    Environmentalists/greens held up the Mutton island sewage treatment plant for twenty years, left the citizens of Galway literally swimming in Sh£%, they spread all types of scare stories regarding it, turns out it was all BS.The greens have no solutions, they plan to close the salmon weir bridge to traffic very soon leaving motorists with 2 inadequate river crossings and the other one at full capacity.Bottom line is we need another crossing of the corrib,be it for motorists or/and PT.Someone has to get the finger out, the solutions offered at the moment by both sides. are not fit for purpose, all the while the citizens of Galway suffer.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 482 ✭✭rustyfrog


    What were the fears around Mutton Island? People are swimming in Sh£% in Galway Bay for many parts of the year in 2022 so perhaps some of those fears were well founded. It was already at capacity when built; another project that wasn't future-proofed?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The greens have no solutions, they plan to close the salmon weir bridge to traffic very soon leaving motorists with 2 inadequate river crossings and the other one at full capacity.

    What are you on about? The GTS was created in 2016 and detailed the new pedestrian bridge, the cross city link, the Dublin Rd upgrades etc back then. It was created by the council and approved by the councillors of the day.

    That you imagine that 2 GP councillors have such a level of power is, frankly, ludicrous.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,276 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    Lorry loads of shyte driven through the streets, overwhelming foul odours, extra flooding to name just a few of the scare stories emanating from the greens,most city beaches have had blue flag status in recent years, something we never had pre mutton island, green objections ensured Galway city citizens had unsafe beaches for most of the 80's and 90's.

    The pace of growth of the city contributed to the capacity issues but it is also accepted that green objections causing the 20 YEAR delay in construction exacerbated the situation.



  • Registered Users Posts: 482 ✭✭rustyfrog


    The blue flag beaches are a bit of a false positive, they can maintain the blue flag if they can predict the regular water quality issues and issue a no swimming advisory. The flows in the bay are quite well modelled so this is very achievable and happens many times a year.

    Anyway, back to the topic...



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,276 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    Ah, the cross city link,no doubt the Greens will be supporting the 31 property owners who face compulsory purchase orders to create this bus lane, after all the Greens were very vocal when the property owners on the route of the by pass faced the same issues, but we all know the greens and their hypocrisy so it wont happen, some CPO's good according to greens.

    https://connachttribune.ie/plans-lodged-for-cross-city-bus-route-for-galway-linking-east-and-west/

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,276 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    If we didnt have blue flags the greens would be screaming , not that we do its a fix😀.Before Mutton island we could not swim in clean water free of raw faeces on city beaches on any day, the water quality has improved a thousand fold, because the treatment plant was built. The delay caused by the objectors caused untold damage to the citizens of the city in the 80'and 90's.All the scasre tactics were just lies.Some people dont forget that.Now back to the traffic.



  • Registered Users Posts: 482 ✭✭rustyfrog


    "If we didnt have blue flags the greens would be screaming , not that we do its a fix"

    I'm not associated with the greens by the way!!



  • Registered Users Posts: 482 ✭✭rustyfrog


    Anyone have details of what nights and times the wind farm parts are travelling over the bridge? I see they've taken out several walls at the Newcastle end so they can clear the corner.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,276 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    I apologise if you think I called you a Green Party member, I sometimes use the the term"greens" as a catch all for serial objectors and scaremongerers.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,278 ✭✭✭Unrealistic


    @the_galway_fry "nothing will remove the cars"

    It may feel like that but universal experience demonstrates that this need not be the case. In Dublin, prioritisation of public transport and active travel has reduced the number of cars in the city centre at peak times by 48% over the last two decades, but this happened while the numbers living in and visiting the city centre increased.

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