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Govt to do 'everything' to prevent evictions - McEntee

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    Looney idea - you can't evict people from your property

    Yeah right



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,431 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    oke dokey. As I said to the other poster, assuming what you believe is correct, then you have nothing to be whinging about. Rent away there to your hearts content and if you have any issues, you can use your superior legal knowledge to sort them out in a few minutes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    You can, but you have been given a moritorium from the government for the winter months as to when you can do it. Suck it up.

    Your property rights are not unlimited and unrestrained, and they never will be. This is something you're really going to have to get your head around. Seriously. Tenants come with rights. This isn't Victorian London.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    Victorian London - so dramatic.

    Rights that weren't there last week.

    Notice periods that were half what they are since 2 months ago

    Landlords didn't sign up for this.

    Let's watch government extend the ban in March.

    Private property owners rights are being trampled on. And their chances of selling up and getting out of the circus are being seriously hampered because only a fraction of potential buyers is going to buy a property with tenants in place.

    It's bonkers.

    Although in your words yesterday "you'd be surprised " who would buy a property with tenants in place.

    Would I? Yeah let's hear who



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Then take a case to the SC. Seriously, see how far it will get.

    You need to wise up that when you're in the landlord game, that those lifeforms paying into your bank account are called humans, and those humans come with things attached to them called rights - which the government is empowered to legislate in favour of with proportionality. Which is what they're doing.

    This is whingefest 2022. Nothing is being trampled on.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    Then take a case to the SC. Seriously, see how far it will get - the drama again.


    All small time landlords should and will sell up.

    The Irish government and its supporters like you are pushing for it. One disincentive after another

    *high taxes

    *recent doubling of notice periods

    * eviction ban

    *unbelievably slow process to remove problem tenants


    You can take responsibility for the homelessness explosion that is coming.

    Maybe the funds will swoop in and save the renters.

    Lol



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Landlords with a mortgage will not sell up because they'll be heading into negative equity in all likelihood with interest rate rises. They were selling because of record prices previously.

    If they fancy being price takers in a declining market, they may go ahead. It's a free country as they say. If they sell it will be to local authorities who will be one of the last men standing in a high interest rate environment.

    Taxes on landlords are not high, you pay the same as every Tom-Dick-and-Harry business owner, and on passive income. They also enjoy a suite of tax reliefs that make it an almost a risk-free endevour.

    Growing up time.



  • Registered Users Posts: 752 ✭✭✭dontmindme


    Not related to the eviction moratorium but, the government really do need to do something about the time it takes to evict non-paying tenants. Current system is ridiculous.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    Record prices are now.

    Negative equity? Sell now.

    Recession also means lower rent returns and high interest on the mortgage. Sell now

    Taxes on rental income is almost 50%.

    No business pays 50%. You are telling porkies again to stop your ideology from sinking

    Instead of government trying to incentivice landlords to stay in market they have decided to try block them from selling . Lol

    As soon as the opportunity arises expect an exodus . Remember those who encouraged it too



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,273 ✭✭✭The Spider


    Nobody's been given anything yet, let’s see what happens tomorrow, I’d be expecting pushback



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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    And what happens when a glut of properties comes on the market at the same time in a high interest rate environment?

    I'll let you work this one out for yourself...



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,273 ✭✭✭The Spider


    Again we don’t know what will happen with house prices, interest rates are rising, but we’ve also got restricted supply, if what you say will happen that landlords won’t sell because of high interest rates, then that’ll drive the price of what little supply is for sale up further, a lot of people will be locked out from buying, and the only people who can buy will be those who can afford it, so in essence your statement is a contradiction, economics 101 supply or lack of drives price.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    All of his statements are a contradiction.

    That's why the ideology falls down every single time



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,431 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    All small time landlords should and will sell up.


    Please sell up if you can't cope and allow others who are more professional, and can cope, to take over. Society can't have a system where it restricts and controls the supply of something (housing) and then allows people to control that thing when those people don't have the ability to cope.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    There is zero contradiction or ideology.

    You're the one saying high asking prices will hold-up when put-upon landlords put their properties on the market at the same time with high interest rates.

    The exact opposite will happen. They'll be price-taking, and prices go down. Basic stuff.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,545 ✭✭✭Topgear on Dave


    Donald I remember asking you before in another thread and never getting a clear answer from you.


    Have you ever had to go out and find a place to rent? Scrape up a deposit etc


    You talk like the rental market does not matter to you so I assume you own your own place. It's pretty important for some of us to be able to gind a place to live without long travel times or large deposits.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Landlords won't be fleeing en masse. That's a bluff that the lobby uses when they see a regulation they don't like.

    They're less likely to get their desired asking price now (and not because of the moritorium) than they were even three months ago. It'll be lower asking prices (net good for the market and buyers) or they'll keep their head screwed-on and keep letting.

    It may not be too obvious at this vantage point for some, but the market dynamic has tipped and it will be going only one way for the next 18-24 months, perhaps longer.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,273 ✭✭✭The Spider


    Dunno you’re all over the place on it, let’s see what happens if the moratorium goes ahead



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    I'm not the one saying they will. Other posters are. I'm saying if they *do* elect sell on masse, and are foolish enough, they'll be price taking and swallowing lower asking prices. This is the worst sellers market in a good 8 years or so. Investment funds cash is drying up, first time buyers and upgraders are keeping their powder dry because of interest rates, and the state is going to be the last buyer on the bloc.

    That's called a monopsony (remember that I used it before David McWilliams) and it means price-taking for sellers if they do sell.

    When interest rates go up, house prices come down. That's what happens.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,431 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    So why are you speaking in favour of reducing tenants rights?


    In addition, by allowing a system which defers to less-than-competent "landlords" then you will necessarily impinge upon tenants rights. Case is point it that landlords can decide to evict a tenant just because they want to sell a house. That is an extremely generous gift aimed at placating amateur landlords. That wouldn't happen in other countries. In fact, in some places there are laws which mean that the tenant has a right of first refusal to purchase the property(and they can, and do, make money from selling that right to a third party!!!)



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    I assume you mean funds when you say sell and leave it someone more competent ?

    You can't mean small time landlords (1 or 2 properties) because they are all getting out due to the high taxes, recent doubling of notice periods and now a potential eviction ban.

    All that's left are funds. Funds charge more for rent but won't kick you out to move a family member in.

    Let the funds take over. The same one that you were all raging at for buying up entire housing estates and renting them out.

    The same funds leaving apartments empty in an attempt to keep rent prices high overall.

    The funds who are permitted to avoid taxes.

    Now the funds are the normal Joe Soap renters friend.

    Give me a break



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,431 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    I assume you mean funds when you say sell and leave it someone more competent ?


    No. There are other landlords who post on here from time to time who seem to be able to cope. They aren't whinging to the same extent at least. And then the ones who are just managing and going on about their business. They're not ranting online looking for rules to be changed to bail them out.


    If you can't cope then get out. If you can then you can decide to stay. Society shouldn't be compensating you for any inadequacies though



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Funds have already extracted their price, their war-chest is dry with cheap money gone.

    The last buyers standing are the state. That will be become all too obvious to you in the coming months.

    If there is an en-massee sell-off (which there won't be), it will be Darragh O'Brien and Paschal naming their price, not the other way around.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    We have gone from a temporary eviction ban to the government are going to buy up thousands upon thousands of properties and give them to renter Joe and Mary Soap

    Lol

    Don't let your ideology get in the way of reality



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones




  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Notwithstanding your snarky tone, I'd inspect the front page of the Sunday Business Post if I were you.

    It's already underway. The industry indicated that build to let is slowing to halt with investment funds stepping back, and the state is stepping-in - opening their chequebook and buying units and developments en-masse.

    And they'll be setting the price when doing so with no investment capital to compete with. If buy to let landlords want to sell up, they'll be setting the price there too. If that's what landlords want to do, they're welcome to do so, but they'll be stepping into more or less a one-buyer market.

    Time for the smelling salts, wakey wakey. What I said will happen, is already happening.

    The only ideology on display, is that of landlords throwing a strop because market conditions have tipped against them at an inopportune time.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,431 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    They are just managing their business quietly rather than whinging about it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,976 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Biggest issue is though all these rules that push even more rights to tenants has already caused landlords to flee the market. Just introducing more just encourages that.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    Be it health, housing, infrastructure or anything else. Anyone who puts all of their faith and needs in the state had been let down and left waiting.

    More fool you if you think now to be any different.

    Let's see what happens



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