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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,986 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    I know we've seen it before, but this Ben (Walter Mitty) Wallace?


    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,162 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo




  • Registered Users Posts: 25,700 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    He is a safe looking white guy with a military record so is held up every once in a while as a fix all.

    He is essentially the David O'Leary/Reid/Hoolahan Eamonn Dunphy type savior of the Tory party.

    Nothing in the real world to actually suggest he is any bit more qualified that the last 3 clowns.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,094 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    The ERG have enough sway to get a candidate into the top 2 but they don't have a majority of MPs. The final tally at the end of the last round of MP voting was:

    1. Sunak - 38.3%
    2. Truss - 31.6%
    3. Mordaunt - 29.3%


    Had there been a final round of voting within the MPs to settle it Sunak would almost certainly have won, given that Mordaunt was more ideologically similar to him than to the Truss.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,983 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Nobody is ever qualified to be PM.

    You need to learn on the job, with the advice of experienced people around you.

    Truss hadn't the basic sense to take a breath and consider all the consequences and take soundings from all sides. In that way, she made herself look a complete amateur and a fool.

    Wallace is a safe pair of hands, an acknowledged tactician. But, he refused to stand the last time and that shows he's no fool either. Its such a sh1t show now, I suspect he's even less likely to go forward, even if offered a coronation.

    Also, the Tories won't get away with another change of leader anyway. Either way, this ends with a General Election and quite soon.

    Could come down to the King taking a view to bring this dysfunctional and paralysed Parliament to an end.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,074 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Their was speculation that their might e skeletons in the closet because he ruled himself out very quickly even after some fantastic polling.

    Mad really, looking at the final 4 in the race, Kemi, Sunak, Truss and Penny,,,Truss was always the weakest choice.

    Kemi would have found the position overwhelming but at least she seems genuinely liked by the base.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,700 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Good leaders and therefore good PMs can be seen a mile off.

    Politics aside Obama, Cameron, Blair, Macron, Merkel were all good leaders and we're spotted as such before taking power.

    Practically everyone unbiased called called May, Johnson and Truss out as jokes and it has come to pass that they were.

    The Ben Wallace "safe pair of hands" narrative is just desperation same as the Jeremy €unt narrative.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,496 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The party seems way too divided for a supposedly single safe pair of hands. Even Wallace would probably have a load of enemies within the party.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,007 ✭✭✭Shelga


    It’s irritating how both Hunt and Sunak are constantly talked about now as “safe pairs of hands”. Hunt destroyed the NHS, and Sunak claims to be pro-growth but is also avidly pro-Brexit. Two absolute cretins, and that they are held up as wise statesmen now just shows how far the party has sunk.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,485 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Hunt did not destroy the NHS. If anything did, it was handing it to a Randian Objectivist during the time of its greatest turmoil, a turmoil artificially inflicted upon it by the libertarians in government.

    Growth doesn't mean growth. Brits do not want growth, it's simply there as a phrase to dodge accusations of idiocy while voting Tory the same way Brexit voters used to talk about trade.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,581 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    They are only called 'safe pair of hands' in relation to the alternatives. Always, one needs to consider where the UK finds itself. They have lost all credibility, both internationally and domestically, so this 'safe pair of hands' is more about trying to sell a narrative to calm everything that reality.

    If Hunt really is this great asset, why was he not only overlooked for the CX originally, but not even deemed worthy of a seat in the cabinet? Not even a secretary of state? Nothing. And now he gets balled up from the back benches to the second-highest job in the government, some would say that Truss is so damaged that it is really the top job at this point.

    I would disagree that Brits do not want growth. They do, they just don't know what it really means, or what needs to be done to get it. It's straight back to the Brexit thinking. Control, laws, and money. But having no actual plan or idea of what it needs.



  • Administrators Posts: 53,736 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    I can't remember a moment in recent history where the British PM has ever been so weak. Her own chancellor is basically gutting her entire policy base right in front of her, and she can do nothing about it.

    This is truly a bizarre moment.

    She has to go. It is inevitable.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It’s unbelievable. Like Gordon Ramsey gutting and filleting a freshly caught trout



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,413 ✭✭✭cml387


    Like having your essay torn up in front of the whole class.

    The only thing keeping Truss in power is the thought of another new chancellor being appointed.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,485 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,162 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    It is utterly surreal what is happening here at the moment.




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,116 ✭✭✭bazermc


    Has anybody seen Truss’s deputy PM and ally. Has she also gone to ground?



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,298 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    The want Coffey to be removed from cabinet.

    It'll be interesting to see if these unpopular tax cuts feeds into Irish policy. Let's hope we don't get ridiculous tax cuts promises before the next election.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,951 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Therese "poor people are richer than you think" Coffey is a disgusting human being, shes a health secretary who has proudly admitted she gave left over antibiotics to a friend..... she doesn't understand a basic fvcking tenet of antibiotics medication not to mention its against the law.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,298 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Ah well, haven't we all done that.

    I wouldn't get too bothered about that.

    She's just out of her depth. It's time for them to go into opposition. A period of opposition will weed out the useless ones.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,951 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Ive never done it, its absolute stupidity and plain ignorance about how antibiotics work to do it.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,485 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,162 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo



    I never have and I do not know anyone who has admitted to doing this



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,313 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Anyone who shares antibiotics is a dangerous, irresponsible idiot.

    But of course, quelle surprise, the "it doesn't matter" handwave comes from the usual source.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,485 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Yep.

    The antibiotics resistance problem is an impending catastrophe. It's on course to make infections much more lethal as well as effectively shutting down a range of medical procedures. There's been a serious decrease in innovation because resistance is a killer to the development business model. Not much point spending millions on a new drug the bugs might render obsolete in a matter of months.

    Of course, no Tory has ever done anything wrong ever.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,298 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    This thread full of perfect people.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,951 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    More hand waving..... not sharing antibiotics has nothing to do with being perfect, its simply understanding the seriousness of that sharing them is just helping to bring forward the day that they will no longer be effective and we will be without them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,298 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Yeah yeah.

    If you haven't heard of people giving away unused anti biotics, particularly in Ireland, where GP costs 60 euro, then posters on here are out of touch with reality.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,650 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Not taking antibiotics that were not prescribed for you is not 'perfect' - it is a sign you are not stupid.

    Everyone should know antibiotics are on prescription only for a very good reason. Misuse will cause a build up of antibiotic resistance in bugs, and this has resulted in some diseases becoming close to incurable - MRSA being one.

    Why would anyone take another's medication?



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,485 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    GP visits are free in the UK and UK politics is the topic of this thread despite your persistent and pathetic attempts to shut down criticism of the Tories by whataboutery.

    And no, I have never given away antibiotics or known anyone who has. It's really basic stuff this.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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