Gallagher Premiership 2022-2023 Season

I'm not sure. I haven't seen the contracts of course. BT are only showing 3 games most weekends so the same amount of games are being shown.

I know there is a top up of the base amount per club based on the number of games shown so there will be some increase (as with Wasps and Worcester gone there is more of a chance for games to be picked).

The total pot may go down but I'm pretty sure that the individual amount per club will definitely go up.

I dont know if it will counter the ticket sales from a game less but it will definitely partially offset it.

Well it's two games less for most teams, 1/6 of their home league games. At that level, pitchside advertisers, etc. could be looking for some refund. Much of the hospitality/corporate stuff is likely sold on a game by game basis and general matchday sales gone. As I said, Gloucester's figure sounds high but I don't think clubs being down £0.5m across two games is unreasonable.

And whatever about this season, the value of tv rights, sponsorship, etc. next season could be down with the reputational damage done. I'm just saying there will be negative knock on effects for the remaining clubs.

You would have to think that any GP club that doesnt own its home ground is in a precarious position.

Instead of being able to invest in facilities like Exeter are doing these clubs are just enriching some landlord and relying on debt, which might have been fine a few years ago but the weight of debt is getting heavier by the day.

Bath would be the one I'd be worrying about, they don't own their stadium and have spent a lot trying to redevelop it with little no show for it. Not sure what way the agreement for the Rec is but they could be tied in to a fix amount for the season rather than game by game. They have underperformed for a while now and are throwing more and more money at turning it around. If they sit below Wasps and/or Worcester for a while, it wouldn't look good.

Having debts is one thing, im sure every club has some level of debt, but having it secured against a performing and revenue generating asset is a different prospect.

Stadiums can generate income from concerts, other sports, conferencing facilities etc.

Reading the accounts for all the clubs in the league would show massive debts (greater than assets) in nearly every premiership club.

I'm not sure which clubs are struggling the most.

Have you seen specific names mentioned. I've seen a suggestion that the Ealing owners were considering buying London Irish and merging the two clubs.

That would imply London Irish was one of the struggling clubs as its the only way that it would make sense imo.

Surely just one more club going into administration kills the entire league? Losing almost a quarter of the teams, particularly if early in the season, would completely undermine the league, how could anybody have confidence in that?

Thats debt. Not tax debt.

I guarantee you that Gloucester's figures is correct as of their last published accounts (June 2021).

It's accurate per their accounts. It's worth saying that 11 million of that 27 million is on incredibly favourable ministry of sport terms.

Pretty sure that's total wages.

Income 10.6 million (9.6 normal turnover and 1 million other income)

Wages er prsi and pension for 139 players management staff; 54 operational and 36 administrative staff came to 12.6 million.

12.6 million is 119% of 10.6 million.

Editer to add: 2021 was heavily covid hit in terms of income. The year ended 2020 was around 17 million income. The year ended 2019 was around 20 million income +14 million cvc.

What I said was read from their published audited accounts for the year ended june 2021 and with bits of the edit from the year ended june 2020 which is available on the companies House website.

Is it not fair to say that sarries broke the rules with piles of cash at their disposal, therefore making other clubs attempts to be competitive in the league cost more which they had to service with debt.

Pushing up the salary at the top has a ripple effect in a marketplace where players compete with each other for contracts.

I always felt that Saracens should have had to pay massive fines and kept in the premiership.

The fine they had to pay wasn't even the prize money that every team below them in the 3 seasons they broke the cap would have gotten from finishing 1 place further up the league.

Pretty sure that his personal loan account was his personal loan account with the club. Ie the money he had lent the club.