Luas Line 'improvements'

brianc89 · 19-10-2022 7:55am #1

I wanted to start a discussion about future upgrades along the Luas Red Line. I believe longer platforms and trams are assumed in the near future.

But I wanted to discuss the idea of adding an additional stop in the city centre and moving the Jervis stop slightly east.

With the recent pedestrianisation of Capel Street, I've noticed that it's surprisingly awkward to get to Capel Street. No buses go down Dorset Street, so just the quays. And the Luas stops are not "near" the Capel Street junction.

I'm also of the opinion that the Bus Connects network has prioritised connections in the O'Connell Bridge area and as a result is leaving parts of the city centre underserved - image 2 below showing the new network post College Green pedestrianisation.

bk · 19-10-2022 1:33pm

It sounds like a pretty good idea.

Though your new stop outside Arnotts would now be pretty close to the stop on the other side of O'Connell St. Though I think that would be justified given how busy O'Connell St and the surrounding destinations. A new stop by Arnotts would be ideal for folks accessing Henry St and even temple bar and could help with the eventual regeneration of this street.

You'd probably get complaints from those in the Italian Quarter, but your other stop would be great for accessing Capel St.

BTW I think there might be issues with actually lenthening the trams and platforms on the Red line any further. I believe they are already at the limit of space for length of trams/platforms between junctions at a few points along the red line.

L1011 · 19-10-2022 1:41pm

There would need to be road closures or at the very least access restrictions and possibly flow changes to extend some of the city centre stops.

dazberry · 19-10-2022 10:10pm

I would like to see Heuston reconfigured to facilitate the easy turning back of trams. If an issue occurs between Heuston and Smithfield the Luas has to terminate all the way back at Blackhorse. With the red line effectively being considered a bus connects spine, and the pending removal of a number of bus services through the Bluebell/Inchicore area it really needs to be more resilient IMO.

brianc89 · 20-10-2022 5:09am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119768620#Comment_119768620

I would go much further with Heuston. I can't help but picture Heuston West in the near future and how inaccessible that station will be.

I would love to see a line from Heuston West, Heuston (East), James Street, Vicar Street, Christchurch, Dame Street. This would take pressure off the Red Line and bring people into the heart of George's Street area.

Picture I "drew" earlier. Just a spur from James but could extend to HW.

brianc89 · 20-10-2022 5:22am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119769018#Comment_119769018

You could look at an underground section between HW and James Street. The massively underdeveloped Guinness area could easily facilitate a section of the new BLUE LINE.

I'm sure the owners of Guinness would be happy with the increase in land values, that a new Blue Line would bring.

Remember that HW will facilitate Dart SW services so there will be a massive increase in passengers in this area.

AngryLips · 20-10-2022 7:32am

The suggestion that trams on red line can't be lengthen due to certain stops along the route being space restricted is rubbish. It's time they consider getting rid of those stops or relocating them to places where such platform lengths can be accommodated.

dazberry · 20-10-2022 8:49am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119769018#Comment_119769018

While the James St, Thomas St route was in some plan may moons ago (Line F?), I would not run a Luas down James St and Thomas St into College Green. With some magic crayons :D I'd spur at Suir Road and run down Cork St into Stephen's green as that creates more of a circular line around the city.

As an aside I don't know if anyone noticed, but in the engineering plans for the Green line cross city extension, a set of points/switches were included in College Green to link up with line F but were never actually built.

LineF_CityAlt.jpg

brianc89 · 20-10-2022 9:11am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119769415#Comment_119769415

The best plans in the world were made with crayons over lunch....

Luas Line F indeed to Lucan. Why would you avoid a Luas on James Street?

For "suir", I think something is needed to take pressure of Red Line in city centre. Thanks for this suggestion.

bk · 20-10-2022 12:44pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119769155#Comment_119769155

Hold on there, it isn't "rubbish" it is a genuine engineering issue!

Green Line platforms are typically 62 to 64m in length, while the Red line are mostly 50 meters.

Just go take a look at the stop outside of Busaras, it is 50m and that is the exact distance between Talbot Place and Amien St. The only way to make it 64m would be to close Talbot Place, which would impact Busaras operations and even then I'd question if there would be enough space with the very tight turn in front of the Garada station.

There are lots of other perhaps less serious examples along the Red line, like in front of the Bridewell Courthouse, etc.

Don't get me wrong, I'd be fully supportive of them increasingly the length of the platforms, but don't underestimate the engineering issues, there is a reason that the NTA/TFI don't seem to have any plans for a Green line style lengthening on the red line.

BTW I do think a spur going down towards College Green is a great idea and would likely take a lot of pressure of the Red Line on Abbey St.

brianc89 · 20-10-2022 1:06pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119770427#Comment_119770427

Busaras is a good example of the difficulty but looking at Google maps, it looks like there's space for 12-14m extension?...

Where there's a will, there's a way. So one would wonder where's the will and why they haven't started extending these.

bk · 20-10-2022 1:16pm

"Busaras is a good example of the difficulty but looking at Google maps, it looks like there's space for 12-14m extension?..."

You can't knock off the ramp at both ends. You need those ramps at both ends for accessibility, wheelchair users etc. Those ramps are part of the platform.

Also notice how your red lines enter into the turn near the Garda station. That won't work for pretty obvious reasons. You'd need to move the turn further back and into the plaza in front of the Garda station, if the angles are even possible for the trams.

And of course you've completely blocked off Talbot Place, which coaches for Busaras use.

Geuze · 20-10-2022 1:26pm

The red line platforms at 50m, does that include any ramps at either end?

Or is it 50m of level boarding platform?

L1011 · 20-10-2022 1:33pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119770780#Comment_119770780

The ramps are to get people on to the boarding platform from the road. Any and all on-road stops have them.

Busaras already only has one due to how constrained the site is, the other end is steps.

The platform also has to be straight, whereas the red lines drawn there go around a curve!

bk · 20-10-2022 2:18pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119770780#Comment_119770780

The measurements I gave earlier include ramps. The Busaras platform appears to be about 45m for just the platform, not including ramps and steps.

brianc89 · 20-10-2022 7:08pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119770686#Comment_119770686

I didn't mean to attack your example. There is only a ramp on one side, the other is steps. I think Talbot Place could be closed to coaches and make coaches approach from Store Street. The guards can use the actual Luas line for access.

The bigger issue is the curved line. Do the platforms seriously need to be straight? Does this country have to so ridiculous with everything 🙄🙈

AngryLips · 20-10-2022 7:12pm

They could detour the Luas up Gardiner Street and have the line join Busarus through the current plaza in front of the Garda station. It would require CPO'ing Isaacs Hostel to make that lane wide enough but it's entirely doable. Of course, they could also extend the luas without doing any work on the luas stops by restricting passenger access through the front and back doors. If the plan is to massively reduce cars in the city centre, as the Government have signalled just the other day, saying that stops like busarus is too space restricted when there's a five-lane thoroughfare with generous traffic islands immediately in front of the stop just doesn't cut it anymore.

brianc89 · 21-10-2022 7:18am

Can we establish an important point here - do tram platforms actually need to be straight?

This is just ridiculous - someone help me understand.

There are curved platforms all over the world......

Screenshot_2022-10-21-09-16-28-56_e4424258c8b8649f6e67d283a50a2cbc.jpg

L1011 · 21-10-2022 7:26am

Yes, or else people using wheelchairs couldn't get on.

That curved platforms were ok in the Victorian era doesn't make them not being suitable for accessible transport in the 21st Century 'ridiculous'.

What is ridiculous is trying to have the longest trams in the world in lieu of having, say, another east-west line.

brianc89 · 21-10-2022 8:23am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119773629#Comment_119773629

I take accessibility extremely seriously.

The technology already exists to "fill the gap" when the doors open. It's hardly a huge engineering challenge.

Sorry to be a smartass, but if this is the only reason we can't extend the trams, then it's a very bad one.

I fully agree with a new east-west line. @L1011 any suggestion for this? What do you think of suggestions above?

L1011 · 21-10-2022 9:25am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119773812#Comment_119773812

The technology exists for high platform trains which have long stop times; not for low platform light rail (the space simply isn't there for the kit underneath the floor) - and it isn't suitable for quick usage either. So light rail platforms have to be straight.

Its not the only reason we can't extend platforms anyway - junctions and roads are a huge factor that can't be handwaved away either; but its not something that can be solved easily or practically.

I want to see the Lucan Luas plan - branching out at Fatima and coming up to Dame Street was the original plan - to extended to meet the DART somewhere on the southside, albeit I've not worked out if there is a plausible route for that. While road widening is definitely more on the cards than it was when the proposed Rathfarnham line was nixed, curve ratio is still important so a line can't be too twisty, or else it's too slow to be worth it

brianc89 · 21-10-2022 9:39am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119774066#Comment_119774066

Okay thanks for that explanation, makes sense. I still think this is unnecessarily limiting. They could guide wheelchair users to doors away from the curve and it would only be a small handful of stops.

Moving on though, I'd love to see a line along the Grand Canal, but this would be very controversial. A huge amount of people commute in cars along this route.

Perhaps some sort of one way system using SCR and the canal could be used. We wouldn't want to force all cars from canal onto SCR, as that road would become a carpark all day.

bk · 21-10-2022 12:37pm

Keep in mind, part of the reason that there hasn't been a major focus on upgrading the Red line (beyond the already completed upgrade from the original 30m trams to 40m ones), is because the idea that Dart Underground would be built and as a result a lot of the passenger traffic between Hueston and Connolly would be taken off the Luas red line and onto the DU instead.

So if we are starting to talk about major upgrades to the Red line, we are basically admitting that DU will never be built and we need to upgrade the Red line instead. Some folks here would be very upset by that.

"I didn't mean to attack your example."

Oh, no worries at all. The funny thing is I previously brought up the idea of extending the Red line trams to 55m, but another poster pointed out the issues with junctions and I actually went and looked at each junction and could see that it definitely wouldn't be easy to upgrade like it was on the Green line. Not impossible of course, but likely extremely expensive and controversial.

"There is only a ramp on one side, the other is steps."

The Green line platform only, no ramps, appears to be about 58 to 59m. So extending out from Busaras platform from the single ramp for 58 to 59m it definitely would impinge into the turn. No way it could be done with the existing curve.

"It would require CPO'ing Isaacs Hostel to make that lane wide enough but it's entirely doable."

Sure, but now you are talking about 10's of millions, maybe even 100million+ and likely face major public objections (are some of those buildings listed? they look old enough). And that is just for one stop, you have plenty of other stops along the line that would cause problems too and would require permanent road closures. And all for only a 30% capacity increase!

The nice thing about the green line upgrades is that they were relatively cheap and easy to do. That isn't the case with the red line. If you want to spend that sort of money, then I'd ask if there are perhaps other alternatives that might cost the same or cheaper, while possibly giving the same or greater capacity increases and possibly help build a better, more resilient network.

Two options:

1) A spur down to College Green. Could take a lot of passengers off the Abbey street section, looks to be relatively straight forward to build and no need to knock Isaac's Hotel. I could see such a spur being extremelly popular with folks heading to the South of the river, rather then North, Trinity, Temple Bar, Grafton Street, etc.

This sort of spur is very normal in Europe, trams lines often split and merge throughout the city, it allows you to spread demand and serve far more places then our current more rigid network does.

2) Are there ways to increase frequency and thus capacity on the Red line, without necessarily increasing the length of platforms?

One option that goes brianc89's original idea is to move the Jervis stop to Middle Abbey St, closer to O'Connell St and perhaps build a turn back facility on Middle Abbey St. You could possibly operate more trams only as far Middle Abbey street with greater frequency to there. I find the tram tends to empty out by the Abbey St stop and tends to be quieter heading east from there. This would allow you to increase capacity along the busiest parts of the route, add resiliency when there are protests, etc. on O'Connell St and avoids major works at Busaras.

Of course another option is giving trams absolute priority at all junctions and putting the red light cameras back in place.

bk · 21-10-2022 3:27pm

Sorry I should add to the above, what I listed above are only some options to increase capacity, there could be others like DU, Lucan line that runs further south then College Green, etc.

Thinking about it, what I think we are missing is any report from NTA/TII on the current performance of the Red line and possible future upgrades or alternatives.

We have gotten some reports about the possible future of the Green line from NTA/TII, due to Metrolink and the Green line not being upgraded to Metro for now and that has been a very insightful and interesting report.

We have nothing similar for the Red line, we haven't heard as much as a whisper about it from NTA/TII.

I'd expect a report would give us some numbers on current usage, future growth predictions, etc. and then lay out different upgrade options include options like lengthen platforms, frequency increases, turn backs, alternatives like a College Green Spur, DU, Lucan route, etc. And compare them based on cost, number of passengers carried, accessibility, etc.

I find the deafening silence interesting, I could be completely wrong, but I suspect there is a fear that any of the above might severely impact the business case for DU, which is already looking rough due to Dart+ and Metrolink.

Sam Russell · 21-10-2022 7:15pm

If there is to be a spur to College Green, then surely it would be worth connecting to the Green line.

brianc89 · 21-10-2022 9:08pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119776780#Comment_119776780

Not sure if this will get support with the planned pedestrianisation. Before the plaza idea, it was definitely the plan with Luas Line F to Lucan.

One of the initial drivers of the Plaza was removing East-West movements to prioritize, and quicken, Luas cross city.

It's a shame though that we can't start building a broader network with various routes

brianc89 · 21-10-2022 9:13pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119775840#Comment_119775840

I'm really curious to see what (if anything) ABP say about the impact Dart+ will have on DU.

The station plans for New Spencer Dock would require the station to be dug up in future to facilitate DU. The platforms as planned are not deep enough to continue the line under the Red Luas line and river.

We discussed this at length in the DU and Dart+ threads. In short, the conclusion was the Dart+ plans, at best, were extremely vague on how DU would / wouldn't be impacted in future.

Sam Russell · 22-10-2022 10:17am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119777260#Comment_119777260

Nice tends to have trams passing pedestrianised plazas with no problems. They are fitted with bells to warn pedestrians.

brianc89 · 22-10-2022 10:34am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119778558#Comment_119778558

Yeah absolutely. The only potential "issue" is increasing conflicts on the North-South bus and tram Spine. The core bus spines are being designed to avoid those East-West movements, but this logic would be redundant if the tram lines are connected.

Just playing devil's advocate, I'm not against the idea.

brianc89 · 22-10-2022 10:39am

On the western end, how to people see this connecting to the Red Line? How about a connection through the Guinness area, potentially going underground, and connecting to Heuston (Main / East) and continuing onto Heuston West??

Remember the Dart+ SW electrified line will go from Sallins / Naas to New Spencer Dock via Heuston West and the Phoenix Park Tunnel (PPT).

Inevitably, this brings up the business case for DU, but my personal opinion is that the business case for DU needs to be reviewed given Dart+, PPT, Bus Connects and Luas extension to Finglas...

dazberry · 22-10-2022 10:53am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119777260#Comment_119777260

There was a Line-F feasibility study done back in 2020 (link), and it omits the original James St -> College Green route option with 3 different options. Disclaimer: I haven't read it - just looked at the maps ;)

brianc89 · 22-10-2022 1:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119778671#Comment_119778671

That's great thanks for that link. Didn't know this existed.

I doubt this accounts for the "COVID impact". Since COVID there has been a monumental shift in thinking. The idea of removing cars from certain streets is now worthy of discussion, where a few years ago we wouldn't have dreamed it.

I'm not pushing an anti-car agenda - I live in the city and love my car - but the "new thinking" at least gives us more options to consider for future Luas extensions and spurs.

Sam Russell · 22-10-2022 3:57pm

I think the whole rational for the Luas needs to be reassessed.

Having two Luas lines, that do not connect - merely cross, and that they go from beyond one side of the city to the other, and proposals to keep on extending them further and further out, well it flies in the face of the usual structure of tram services.

Most European tram services have many routes that criss-cross and interact so that many routes are created so that with one or, perhaps two, changes, one get get anywhere to anywhere else. We have two tram lines that do not interact in anyway and there is no exchange stop - only a need to walk from one stop on one line to another on the other line in the centre of the city - and even the stop on the Green Line is not the same for going north from the one going south.

Extend the red line from Dolphins Barn the GCD via the North Circular Road (route open to suggestions) with trams able to turn into SSG at Harcourt, and trams from SSG could turn towards both Dolphins Barn and GCD. Already a lot of choice is generated.

Add a Spur from James to College Green able to go to Parnell or SSG, and suddenly there is a network that allows many routing for passengers. Now add a line along the North Circular from Heuston towards Croke Park and onwards, and we have increased the places the passengers can go with a single change - or no change at all.

p_haugh · 22-10-2022 4:19pm

Once the Finglas extension gets built, the green line really needs to be split into 2 separate lines.

The existing line would likely remain for the most part (Brides Glen/Sandyford -> Parnell/Broombridge).

Then, a "new" Blue Line (or whatever colour they decide to use) would be introduced that does Finglas -> St. Stephen's Green. This would require a turnback at St. Stephen's Green, which I believe is already in the pipeline anyways as a separate project.

The green line could even just terminate all services at Parnell, with the Finglas line covering all stops to Broombridge.

Now, this will likely all change again once the Green Line south of Charlemont gets upgraded to metro, whenever that goes ahead (if it even does).

brianc89 · 23-10-2022 7:21am

I like the idea that we start building a wider tram network rather than the distinct separate lines which we currently have.

We could start to view SSG as a major hub for city trams. The Green Line could extend across North SSG and a new Blue Line could come across South and East SSG. We should remember the Metro stop will be SSG East.

brianc89 · 23-10-2022 7:24am

Also the links between the Red / Green lines were extremely short sighted.

Designed to move out of service trams between the lines, not to provide live services.

In their defence, I guess, the streets are limited given the space required for a bend.

cgcsb · 23-10-2022 12:44pm

Definitely there needs to be a new east-west line. Preferably from St James to Dame St/George's St and then to south Stephens Green and lesson St. The existing Red line is completely bedlam at almost all times of day

brianc89 · 23-10-2022 2:14pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119782799#Comment_119782799

How about a spur from the Red Line Museum to Heuston West (HW). You would connect to Dart+ SW at HW.

I think there's enough space to turn into Heuston but worst case you could build a new bridge across the Liffey. You would need a new Platform at Heuston Main / East.

You could then run a service from Heuston West to The Point. This would ensure The Point doesn't have reduced service, as you would divert a significant number of trams from James Hospital down to College Green / SSG.

cuttingtimber22 · 23-10-2022 2:26pm

The lack of creativity with the LUAS is a bit disappointing. Some great ideas here - another is to move away from the strict red and green line concept. Why not have trans running from Sandyford to the Point?

brianc89 · 23-10-2022 5:02pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119783170#Comment_119783170

Is there a way to submit ideas to the appropriate people who actually drive these ideas forward? We shouldn't underestimate the value of a public forum such as this... some really good ideas coming out.

Keep the ideas coming in any case!

brianc89 · 23-10-2022 5:18pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119783170#Comment_119783170

The difficulty with this is the Abbey Street Luas stop is in the middle of the split Green line - the southbound line would turn before the platform.

If they split Abbey Street into Abbey Street East and Abbey Street West, and moved Jervis west, this could tick a few boxes:

• Allow various routes between sections of the Red and Green lines

• A much better connection to Capel Street which I feel is badly connected now that it's been pedestrianised

• Although, I think there would be pushback due to conflict with core bus spines along O'Connell Street.

bk · 24-10-2022 10:23am

"Inevitably, this brings up the business case for DU, but my personal opinion is that the business case for DU needs to be reviewed given Dart+, PPT, Bus Connects and Luas extension to Finglas..."

If/when DU goes ahead, there will of course be a new business case report done that would take into account all the new services running or being built.

But that is the issue DU faces, the more alternative east-west capacity that exists, the weaker the business case becomes from DU, simply because less people will need to use it.

So if you already have Dart+ operating through the Phoenix Park Tunnel, Metrolink integration at Cross n Guns, one or more new east-west Luas lines, they are all going to "steal" potential passengers from DU's business case.

Just to be clear, not that I'm against the idea of building the Luas network into a much larger network of multiple intersecting and splitting lines, I'm personally very much in favour of it, but just explaining why we might not have seen fairly obvious ideas like these being explored yet by NTA/TII.

Given that they are now saying the DU won't be delivered until after 2042, I think it is time for them to rexamine this and start looking at other Luas options. But that in turn might push DU off for even decades longer!

brianc89 · 24-10-2022 2:40pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119786311#Comment_119786311

Proposed Rail Network for Dublin:

• Green Luas - extension to Finglas (in planning)

• Red Luas - extension to Ringsend / Irishtown (already envisaged)

• Red Luas - spurs from Heuston Main to Heuston West, and James to Dame Street

• Dart+ W and Dart+ SW in Blue (both in planning) with new station at Heuston West and enhanced terminus station at New Spencer Dock.

• Metro in Burgundy including Metro North (in planning)

• Metro proposed extension to Rathmines, Rathgar and SW city

• Proposed Metro from HW along the Grand Canal to Ringsend / Irishtown

This network would provide 6 major connecting stations (Tara, Glasnevin, Spencer, HW, Charlemont and GCD). The GC Metro would intersect with every single core Bus Connects Spine (except H). I don't see DU winning any business case versus this plan, even if you lose the Metro extensions.

veryangryman · 26-10-2022 10:59pm

Great. The bike will remain the quickest way around the city even with all the above built. My god the city needs an underground. Not these slow buses and luas services

Hotblack Desiato · 27-10-2022 7:29am

I really can't believe that yet more Luas extensions are being proposed. Let's add yet more demand and complexity onto two lines which are already at the point of collapse, that'll work.

brianc89 · 27-10-2022 8:48am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119798669#Comment_119798669

The cost of Dart Underground was estimated at €4.0B in 2010. You could easily double that in 2022. Dart Underground, as proposed, only adds one stop to the network that doesn't currently exist (Christchurch) and would require Irish Rail to close and dig up New Spencer Dock - the shiny new terminus station for two new Dart Lines.

A Luas Spur from Heuston West to College Green would cost as little as 5% of DU budget and would add 5 or 6 stops to the network. It would also relieve congestion on the Red Line by spreading the load.

Hotblack Desiato · 27-10-2022 9:20am

That'll be a boon to all the people who already can't get on at outer suburban stations in the morning peak... Proper PT costs money, a lot of money but it's far less than the cost of the disruption, pollution and general brake on the economy the lack of it causes.

No more half-assed 'solutions' on the cheap (which always end up costing us multiples to fix in the end) for Dublin please. We have suffered far more than enough.

brianc89 · 27-10-2022 9:27am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119799097#Comment_119799097

Definitely agree - we need more high capacity metro lines.

Metro North will hopefully be built in next 10-12years. The next Metro line is probably 20-30years away.

In the meantime do you propose we don't build any new Luas lines or extensions?

cgcsb · 27-10-2022 10:09am

A south side version of the luas red line is needed now regardless of Dart U. It preforms a different function from heavy rail. Should be planned and built asap.

In Spain a project will be designed and subjected to government checks on environmental impact etc, the city council buys any required land for the project and the details are put up on a public website, if you don't check the website regularly you'll find out about the project when the diggers turn up, very quick and simple. In Ireland we have 3 rounds of public consultation plus a round of statutory public consultation, which takes 3 to 4 years for big projects and then nothing gets built. We need serious reform of how we do things

blanch152 · 27-10-2022 2:42pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119783170#Comment_119783170

That is the way it works in European cities like Amsterdam.

If we built from James St to College Green, the trams coming in on the Red Line could join the Green Line Northbound there, the curve is good for that, so Tallaght to Finglas would be another option. Additionally that line could continue down Pearse St, providing much quicker access to Ringsend.

Another option to the Hueston West connection is to take the Luas from Museum into the Phoenix Park and having a stop at the Zoo/Garda HQ with a link to the northern end of the Phoenix Park Tunnel. The Luas could continue along the walls of the part with a stop at the Hole in the Wall, another one at the Ashtown Gate, before crossing the N3/Maynooth line at Navan Rd. Parkway, stopping in the new townland for Dunsink, before crossing the M50 to serve Abbottstown, TU Dublin Blanchardstown and terminating at Tyrellstown.

brianc89 · 01-11-2022 4:19pm

If possible can a moderator change this title to something more appropriate? I set it up to discuss Red Line Luas upgrades, but it has developed into a more general discussion on "Future upgrades to Dublin's Public Transport Network"

Luas Line 'improvements'

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