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General British politics discussion thread

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    #7052
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,948 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Fvcking called it, Andrew Bridgen just suggested on Sky that Hunt could scrap HS2 to close the budget gap



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    #7053
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users Posts: 13,298 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Breathtaking humiliation for Truss, the Tories and Britain.



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    #7054
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,481 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119770479#Comment_119770479

    I was in Paris recently and I recall having a wee debate with myself on whether or not I would ever want to live there. One of my points against was inherent French instability in comparison with the UK, Brexit, Covid included. This is just perverse.

    And as for democracy, this is the same grubby little party that shoved their own version of Brexit through on the back of a dirty referendum with less than a 4% majority for the outcome. They've suborned everything to themselves - the media, the law, the courts, even the country as a whole.

    This country can't, God forgive me, grow in any regard - culturally, economically or politically - until this tumour is excised. We even had Nadine Dorries complaining about what the party's donors would and would not wear on national television ffs.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #7055
    PommieBast
    Registered Users Posts: 2,717 ✭✭✭PommieBast


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119770523#Comment_119770523

    I felt that her calling for another leadership contest had a hint of spite in it..



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    #7056
    Furze99
    Registered Users Posts: 11,036 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119770523#Comment_119770523

    Not enough time to have Tory party membership to vote. Must be a case of change of rules to facilitate election by the parliamentary party.

    But with no obvious agreed candidate, going to be a dirty fight one thinks.



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    #7057
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,754 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119770389#Comment_119770389

    Lettuce hope not.



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    #7058
    Mr.Nice Guy
    Registered Users Posts: 45,576 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    I'm cautiously optimistic that this will mark the beginning of the end for the ERG. They got their candidate in office and she was a disaster. Their last throw of the dice might be to back Braverman but I'd be surprised if the party overall will be in the mood for another ultra. Hopefully this means a move away from the hard right.



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    #7059
    pixelburp
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,311 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    We must also take a moment to applaud Liz Truss though for making history, as long as the United Kingdom exists: she is the Prime Minister with the shortest-ever premiership. It seems unlikely it'll ever be topped, though this current group of Tories might give it a good go.



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    #7060
    pixelburp
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,311 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    And thus the noises commence, starting with the only respectable leader in UK politics, Nicola Sturgeon. This mantra will only grow, the more the Tories show their craven lust for power for its own sake.

    https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/1583076860254380033




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    #7061
    mazdamiatamx5
    Registered Users Posts: 835 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5


    Good piece from Polly Toynbee:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/oct/20/truss-gone-tory-kwarteng



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    #7062
    Tom Mann Centuria
    Registered Users Posts: 10,986 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    She was terrible but at least she had the good grace to quit once she knew she was fupped, unlike Johnson who dragged it out for months after he lost enough support to govern (his party let alone the country).


    They won't call an election sadly because they'll be totally mullered, my homeland is fupped for the next two years as the Tories limp on. I feel for my family still living there.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



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    #7063
    mazdamiatamx5
    Registered Users Posts: 835 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119770523#Comment_119770523

    Yeah the membership are to blame. The parliamentary party, like or loathe them, would never have chosen Truss. Apparently the membership lean older and more right wing than both the parliamentary party and the broader Tory constituency.



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    #7064
    rock22
    Registered Users Posts: 1,603 ✭✭✭rock22


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119770575#Comment_119770575

    But that is the party rules for leadership of the party.

    Surely what the UK needs, short of a general election, is a PM. That person can be voted in place by MPS before the leadership of the Tory party is decided.

    it is crazy to suggest, as last time, theat the country must wait while 200000 tory party members decide who their leader is.



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    #7065
    mazdamiatamx5
    Registered Users Posts: 835 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119770669#Comment_119770669

    Disagree with your assessment of Sturgeon. I think she is a clever charlatan.



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    #7066
    Larbre34
    Registered Users Posts: 23,982 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119770700#Comment_119770700

    Which literally means you don't think she's actually good at real politics behind the public face.

    Wrong!



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    #7067
    mazdamiatamx5
    Registered Users Posts: 835 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119770389#Comment_119770389

    Bojo is ideal replacement....from the point of view of Keir Starmer. Therefore the membership are probably stupid enough to choose him again. Well, never interupt your enemy when he's making a mistake, I guess.



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    #7068
    Furze99
    Registered Users Posts: 11,036 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119770695#Comment_119770695

    Whose rules? They can change the rules anytime it suits them.



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    #7069
    mazdamiatamx5
    Registered Users Posts: 835 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119770715#Comment_119770715

    Oh I think she is very good at real politics.



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    #7070
    Akrasia
    Registered Users Posts: 22,401 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Boris Johnson seems to be interested in the Job again

    They would need to be utterly insane to even consider him as a candidate in this race



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    #7071
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 25,688 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119770981#Comment_119770981

    Yep The Times are calling it.

    Whatever power he had is gone now that he will be seen by the electorate as a failure.



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    #7072
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,481 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119771011#Comment_119771011

    His control over the party will be absolute though.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #7073
    Mr.Nice Guy
    Registered Users Posts: 45,576 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    Unfortunately, I think a depressing number of Tory voters would be pleased to have him back.



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    #7074
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 25,688 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I agree with both of ye.

    But it will fix none of their poll woes



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    #7075
    Shelga
    Registered Users Posts: 3,007 ✭✭✭Shelga


    The Daily Mail commenters all calling Sunak a snake for turning on Boris, who they seem to want back. I have no idea what’s going to happen in the next week. Neither does anyone else. Dramatic/entertaining, but terrible for the UK as a whole.



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    #7076
    pixelburp
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,311 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Jesus; I can't decide if a return of Johnson would arrest the bleed of Tory support, or simply accelerate it. Are memories that short?

    A General Election at least opens the chance to change the narrative on what the Tories are; take their lumps, elect a centrist, speak to the important of Democracy and putting the question to the electorate.

    They won't, of course. But that seems the best approach IMO.



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    #7077
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,646 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119770029#Comment_119770029

    Alec Douglas-Home was at appointment as PM, the thirteenth Earl of Home. He had to relinquish his title, and run in a safe seat to get into the HoC, and then became Sir Alec Douglas-Home.



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    #7078
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 25,688 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Rishi it seems is ready.



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    #7079
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,948 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    So glad I got my money on Boris early



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    #7080
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,646 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119771115#Comment_119771115

    I cannot see Rishi as a likely PM - he was rejected by the membership. He would have no mandate as PM because of that.

    At least Truss did not call a GE - which is a pity. That would be an action filled with spite. She would become the PM who had the shortest occupation of No. 10, and the last Tory PM for many, many, many, many years.



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    #7081
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 53,735 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Mordaunt is the most viable option IMO.

    She came 3rd in the last leadership run, has no Johnson baggage, has no Truss baggage, and unlike Sunak doesn't have the millstone of being rejected in a members vote.

    Johnson still has that investigation ongoing, he'd be far too risky a pick. Straight away back into controversy.



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