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The ugly side of Ukraine joining the EU

  • 20-10-2022 12:05pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,313 ✭✭✭


    Ukraine will be forced to enact all EU regulation currently in existence and that will make it a lot easier for big incumbent EU countries to roll in and exploit them

    *They will be forced to adopt the same disasterous privatised Thatcherite electricity/telecoms market that we're stuck with.

    *They'll have to allow foreign fishing boats into their water

    *All their old LADA's will have to come off the road and be replaced with shiny new EV's from Stellantis and VAG which ordinary Ukrainian folk will have to pay for

    *The likes of Veolia/Sodexho will be given a free pass to swoop in

    *Any Ukranian company making goods now will find it hard to send their goods into the EU as they probably don't comply with various onerous standards that have been carefully crafted over the years as a protectionist measure for EU megacorps.

    *Prices of everything will shoot up through the roof for Ukranians, house prices (currently about 10,000e for a house) will skyrocket as Europeans flood in.


    All in all the country will become a playground for big companies from France and Germany



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,469 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Conspiracy nonsense.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Lol at the Ukrainian houseprices. Are you expecting Western Europeans to migrate to Poltava Oblast en-masse?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,922 ✭✭✭GM228


    "Any Ukranian company making goods now will find it hard to send their goods into the EU as they probably don't comply with various onerous standards that have been carefully crafted over the years as a protectionist measure for EU megacorps"

    Possibly one of the single biggest issues for any nation to join the EU is adapting to the various standards for goods and services, but they already did so under the Association Agreement (including the Deep and Comprehensive Free Trade Area (DCFTA)) since 2017.

    Ukraine is already the 15th biggest EU trade partner which is fairly impressive considering there are 216 trade partners.

    As for the rest, refer to post #2.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,488 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Nonsense, poor and corrupt eastern European countries, and with all my sympathy for them they are both, benefited hugely from joining the EU. I should know because I'm from one of them countries.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    There was a "Friends of Ukraine " conference in Switzerland a while ago..this process is already progressing full steam ahead..it's being sold off, and their labour laws are being gutted so it'll be cheap..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 480 ✭✭Ramasun


    It will shift the center of gravity of the EU further East, where some autocratic tendencies remain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Bizzare take. Their labour laws will only increase with adoption of EU standards ahead of accession.

    As for sold off cheap? Comical. Since 2014, and accelerating with Zelensky, they have been attempting to de-oligarchize their economy. Wrestling control of pillar industries away from Kremlin-connected creeps that had their fangs deep into the thieved national wealth - All of whome were protected by the former Berkut genadarmerie and secret police, commonly accepted to be paid for and controlled by pro-Russian interests if not the Kremlin itself.

    It's one of the primary reasons Putin launched the war, he had a kickback scheme with Ukrainian oligarchs he had in his pocket, and he wasn't letting it go for anything.

    You need to know the history son.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Nice linkdump without commentary, but know that that labour law is in violation of Ukraine's agreements with both the European External Action Service and the European Commission.

    European convergance means they'll have to circle back on any labour laws that threaten their candidate status. Indeed, it's even in the link you posted. The EU as a bloc has the strongest protections for labour in the world, and every member has to play ball. No exceptions.

    Know the facts before the next linkdump.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Another massive eastern European country with a huge manufacturing base joining the Visegrad group. The Reason France and Germany put a timeline of decades on Ukraine joining is that their little globalist treehouse is already under severe strain from the east. Ukraine joining would really put a fly in that ointment



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭handlemaster


    They are fighting and dying for what the majority in the EU believe in... so that is a big thumbs up for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    They're fighting for their country. the majority in the EU don't beleive in that





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,060 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    The second most corrupt state in Europe joining the EU? No, thanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,146 ✭✭✭Laphroaig52


    "Any Ukranian company making goods now will find it hard to send their goods into the EU as they probably don't comply with various onerous standards that have been carefully crafted over the years as a protectionist measure for EU megacorps"

    This is nonsense.

    All goods placed on the EU market must meet the EU market access Directives and Regulations irrespective of where they originated.

    That has been the case for decades and is as true of Ukrainian originating products as it is for Chinese, Japanese or US products.

    Many of the standards underpinning the EU legislation are based on International Standards which themselves have already been adopted as Ukrainian standards - where they are already enforced rigorously. I am not sure why you would consider such standards - which enable global trade and open markets for manufacturer's all over the world as being "protectionist".

    In fact, today it is far more difficult to place products on the Ukrainian market than it is on the EU as they have complex 3rd party certification and local testing requirements that are specific to Ukraine and which add delays and costs for foreign manufacturers.

    Joining the EU would mean that Ukraine has to drop these national requirements and embrace EU frameworks market access frameworks such as CE Marking. This would lead to faster market access for high tech products and lower costs for Ukrainian consumers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 51,665 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    the EU does have a fairly market-friendly approach to privatisation, doesn't it? what's the ownership of utility companies, rails, etc., like in Ukraine?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    It will cost 100s of billions of Euro which will come from European taxpayers.

    In return Ukraine should hand over its natural resources

    Oil , gas etc

    They have massive untapped reserves



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,060 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭85603


    Well, the population will be full of trauma. And the local culture is one of high corruption, and im sure certain underworld ties to Russia will remain. So there may well be a serious Ukrainian mafia within the EU if/when they join. Many will be well trained veterans.

    Seriously dangerous weaponry will be sold on the Ukrainian black market and will pass into the eu unrestricted. The powers that be won't find every anti tank rocket, grenade launcher etc. They'll get most, but there'll always be some on sale. Including hardware that can take down aircraft.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Yeah no.. You cant hide a Javelin under your coat.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    Under review.

    Better to have Ukrainian gas than be absolutely screwed over by yank suppliers .

    Sooner Ukraine joins the better.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 51,665 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Under review.

    Said without evidence dismissed without evidence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭85603




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Want to be a huge box with the sight package involved.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Nah some people don't realise the size of things. Your not going to get that over an EU boarder. Even guns are hard to smuggle dogs smell them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭85603


    i dunno, ukraine does have a pretty long border.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    OFC but your not going to get weapons into Europe as a whole they will be found. Nothing big will ever get through. Maybe a trickle of pistoles. Your not going to see organised crime gangs with tanks or RPG's.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones



    Dogs smell drugs too and no drugs ever get across any border



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Drugs in Europe tend to be produced in Europe isolated areas. Then shipped. Putting them in the back of cars usually it to divert from large shipments. No criminal gangs are making weapons and moving them around. Ireland for example it's left overs from the troubles. Nothing imported now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭85603


    bataclan attackers got their aks from Balkans. customs didn't catch them.

    grenades for gang wars in Sweden and Netherlands came from balkans too.

    uk has a billion dollar illegally imported cocaine industry. mostly from Netherlands.

    so stuff does get through.



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  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,456 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    A reminder

    If you really cannot be civil then do not post or you can expect a threadban and possible additional sanction



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,313 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    That is an interesting take that they're trying to hold them back for that reason. I could be overestimating their ability to swoop in

    Holiday homes, investment. It won't be Western europeans but ones closer by. Kinda like the houses in Bulgaria people bought during the tiger



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,081 ✭✭✭sheesh


    Worker protection in the EU are pretty good, in fact the UK got rid of some of them when they left, they might be different to ukraines but there are plenty of protections so long as they don't sell off the infrastructure and have an open market to control prices they will be fine. most of irelands infrastructure is still in the hands of the government electricity water telecoms are under government Control.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 480 ✭✭Ramasun


    Stupid Russian



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    But you will see them with machine guns, rifles, etc all of which can be dismantled into relatively small pieces for transportation. Then, there's all the explosives that would have been produced, and/or supplied to Ukraine.

    TBH the worse factor is a large population of males who have gone through this war, been trained in various levels of brutality, and will return to a broken economy. Access to Europe means a flood of such recruits to the criminal gangs already established in Europe, and the creation of others, which is already a major problem in a variety of European countries (Italy, France, etc).

    Ukraine joining the EU will have a wide range of repercussions, many of which would be negative.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,023 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Reminds me of the nonsense arguments on here back in February, the west can't arm Ukraine because those guns will end up in Dublin.

    For the record Ukraine shouldn't get near the EU for some time, nothing to do with dangerously stupid fear mongering though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    The war in Ukraine has shown that Germany is coming up strong on the outside in the great corruption race



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,469 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    No, the Ukrainians should not be admitted until they satisfy the entry criteria just like anyone else. They've got particular problems with corruption. That said, I do support their joining if they can achieve this but not before. No amount of disinformation such as that on show in the OP and elsewhere here will convince me otherwise.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,387 ✭✭✭hawley


    It's a Gaffer of an Acca



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,469 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭20Wheel


    You can arm Ukraine. Ukraine should be given weapons.

    But if you think every weapon is going to be accounted for after the war, then thats just light speed naive. Of course some weapons will quietly make their way to the wrong hands, including high explosive and rocket weaponry. Theres a lot of money to be made, and theres a lot of chaos happening. Young men are going back to ruined lives, many will have excellent reasons to hide or smuggle such valuable arms.

    There have been cases in Europe and the US of extremists within the military managing to remove and stockpile all manner of military weapons, this is without a war going on locally.

    Why on earth would you consider it fearmongering for the same to happen in a warzone in one of europes most impoverished and super corrupt countries.

    Putin is a dictator. Putin should face justice at the Hague. All good Russians should work to depose Putin. Russias war in Ukraine is illegal and morally wrong.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    For someone claiming nonsense, you're very partial to introducing it yourself.

    In the context of the post I was responding to, what I said accurate. The problems with criminal gangs originating in Eastern Europe is a fact. Just look at Southern France, and Italy. The aspect of weaponry being transported and used by such gangs is also possible.

    None of what I said is scaremongering, unless your bar for being terrified is so drastically low.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    No, his job is the President of Ukraine. Zelensky's TV show was on an oligarch's station (not that he could control who owned the station at the time), which was subsequently removed from the ownership of said oligarch and put under state control by none other than... Zelensky.

    Good of you to put in a low-res comment without regard to the facts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,023 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    But if you think every weapon is going to be accounted for after the war, then thats just light speed naive

    Where did I claim that? 😕



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