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BoJo banished - Liz Truss down. Is Rishi next for the toaster? **threadbans in OP**

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  • Registered Users Posts: 146 ✭✭Staleturnips


    Boris has his staunch supporters both within Westminster and on the streets, that is easy to understand and if not agreeable, regrettably, it must be accepted.

    However, what I don't understand is how could his return justified?

    He was forced to resigned, unwillingly, for several serious reasons. With Boris being Boris those issues must have been insurmountable to convince him to resign. So how now are those issues brushed underneath the carpet to pave the way for his return?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭walterking


    The Tory party has an archaic system of voting that effectively means "royal Britannia" types with beige carpet and brown settees who drink warm ale and have been enjoying saga holidays for many years, make the decision.

    They will not choose a progressive "brown" boy over one of their own.

    And that means there is a strong likelihood of Johnson getting back in and a potential split in the party



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,479 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Boris was forced to resign for one reason and one reason only - He was costing the Tory party votes.

    They couldn't give a damn about his behaviour , they care about their positions of power.

    They were blown out in the local elections and a couple of by-elections so the decision was made that he was an election liability, simple as that.

    Under Boris , the Tory boat had sprung a major voting leak but probably two thirds of the MP's would have fancied their chances of holding their seats.

    Now though after Truss it more likely that two thirds of them are odds on to lose their seats.

    How any of them think he is no longer the same election liability or that he would be the person to stop the electoral bleeding is beyond me.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,799 ✭✭✭✭Panthro


    I can't see Boris getting the job again as he was a complete disaster. It has to be Rishis to lose at this stage.

    But, if oul Bojo did get in who the hell would he have on his cabinet?! They fled like rats the moment they realised they were on a sinking ship last time out.

    Boris back in would guarantee Labour in the next election.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,108 ✭✭✭Royale with Cheese


    Desperately clinging to power, refusing to hold a GE to let the public decide, having yet another leadership contest to find another unelected PM, and ending up that person being Boris Johnson less than two months after he was forced out in disgrace is probably about the most Tory thing that could happen right now. It's going to happen isn't it.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,479 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Labour are winning the next Election - There is no doubt about that.

    There's nothing that either Party can do to save the British economy from the destruction caused by Brexit and as the party in power for its planning and implementation , the Tories are going to pay for that.

    Anything that the Tories are doing is exclusively about damage limitation.

    If the Election happens anytime in the immediate future the Tories are losing 250+ seats.

    The idea of a new leader would be to try and pull those losses back closer to 100 seats by the time that they are forced to have an election.

    That's all this is.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭walterking


    Any normal voting system would mean he had no chance - but the tory system of giving all the power to the very right wing, cigar puffing bunch on old men who think that Indian boys should be polishing the shoes of bankers and stockbrokers, means Johnston very possibly will return



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Labour are guaranteed the next GE no matter who the Tory leader is. With their record, this is not a party that can win a fifth straight general election.

    The issue is how big the Tory loss will be. If there were to be an immediate general election, the likelihood is that the Tories would be annihilated. Their hope is that, by pushing out the election as far as possible, by the time it has to happen it won't be quite that bad.

    So, they want a leader (a) who can hold together a party composed mainly of desperate, demoralised factions who are fighting like cats in a bag, so that we don't see scenes like the ones that have just brought down Truss, and (b) who won't piss off the public with outrageous awfulness, so doesn't manifest extreme policies or a basic want of competence and fitness. Johnson can't really tick either of those boxes.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It’s looking more like Boris. JRM has just declared for him, which means be probably had the right wing sown up. And nominations will be private, which helps him. And if he’s in the mix he’s unlikely to stand down and agree a deal with whomever might be leading as he knows he’ll win with the members

    the government will be a jokeshop



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,479 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Totally agree

    If Johnson is put in front of the wider Tory party membership he will win but the Parliamentary party will be trying to do everything they can to prevent that happening.

    The Tories just don't give a damn anymore , they really don't.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,914 ✭✭✭✭josip


    It will be quite Churchillian if Boris serves 2 terms as prime minister.

    Would it actually count as 2 terms though if it was within the lifetime of only 1 elected government?



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,863 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Well in Sunak's favour is the equally racist view that "all Asians are good at economics"



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,642 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It occurs to me that Truss might be the first Tory PM since Heath not to have been defenestrated by the European question though resigning solely because of corruption and stupidity is hardly an improvement. Makes for a nice change at least.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,298 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    That mandate disappeared when he took the UK public for imbeciles over the lockdown issues and appointed a known sex pest to a government position even when he was warned about him. Going back to that 3 months after they binned him would be an absolute joke of the worst type.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,863 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    We could be back here again before long if Johnson gets in and is then found guilty of lying to Commons.

    Normally you are expected to resign after that (Johnson may not though)



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭walterking


    And in a normal democracy, that would have seen him as the easy winner 6 weeks ago and the UK would have a chance of their economy growing to better the majority.

    But its a small group of 150,000 membership that, according to Tim Bale, professor of politics at Queen Mary University, in 2020 was more male, white, southern, Brexit-leaning and affluent than the population as a whole, as well as being older.

    Basically 150,000 BoJo thinkalikes



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,428 ✭✭✭One Who Waits...


    I'm not sure what's real anymore. Boris or Bust? Nuts. Absolutely nuts.




  • Registered Users Posts: 68,705 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    He wouldn't resign, but he would very likely be recalled and lose the recall election.

    For a laughing from afar at the chaos perspective, that would be hilarious. But we've a shared border with the country it would further destroy so it wouldn't be ideal.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,365 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    But its a small group of 150,000 membership that, according to Tim Bale, professor of politics at Queen Mary University, in 2020 was more male, white, southern, Brexit-leaning and affluent than the population as a whole, as well as being older.

    Well the public gave the Tories a big OM at the last GE knowing the nature of the party and their procedure for choosing leaders. This is how things roll in parliamentary democracies...



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,144 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    You're surprised that JRM has gone for Boris? Sure who else would give him a job? Next you'll be saying that you're shocked that Nadine Dorries is backing him.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 453 ✭✭moceri


    Maggie Blackamoor will be voting for the next PM




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,642 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I feel like that lad from Cool Runnings who wants to get off the island sometimes.



    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,144 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    "#BORISorBUST" - Really leaning into the fact that Johnson winning is his only hope of staying in cabinet!



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Where did I say I was shocked? The ERG were meeting earlier today to decide whether to field a candidate on the right (eg Braverman). This public pronouncement indicates that the right of the party is going to coalesce around Johnson



  • Registered Users Posts: 344 ✭✭Dingaan


    This thread is full of ageist posters.

    There is also a lot of bashing against 'older white men'. Some of the sweeping generalisations are disgusting.



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    She has decided against taking it.

    The far-left is too much interested in the wealth of wealthy people. The politics of envy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,705 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Public money given for cocking up a job and leaving is not someone's wealth.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,650 ✭✭✭Feisar


    First they came for the socialists...



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,144 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Fair enough you didn't. That was my implication of what you had written - which doesn't make sense now that I read your post again!



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