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Ireland running out of accommodation for Ukrainian refugees due to surge in non-Ukrainian refugees?

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Modular homes. If only natives stopped objecting!



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,314 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Exactly ^^^^ and we’ve had first had experience of this over the last 5 years in my family, my Dad in there now and having to haggle and hassle to try keep a bed he is paying for with health insurance AND taxes. Successfully I might add but who when ill needs that fûcking stress.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    A totally empathetic post. Let’s hope you never need a strangers help.

    BTW, there’s no “The”. Simply Ukraine.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,199 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    At 300k a house, where is the money coming from and why aren’t we building them for Irish citizens?



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,363 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69




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  • Registered Users Posts: 19 sarahahahaha


    There is no more room here.

    What the government should do is buy a tract of land in the Ukraine, perhaps Poland or somewhere close. Send builders over, hire locals, erect all this modular housing.

    Build some facilities, health clinics, provide some staff. The same for schools and provide teachers.

    Pay each of the people that flee there the equivalent of the social welfare in Ireland, whatever other perks as well like free travel on local transport.

    Plus it could be done cheaper than here.

    Would the natives be okay with funding a miniature city in another country? Its essentially the same thing except straighter to the point.

    I suppose the biggest difference is that some people wouldn't be making money out of the situation here. But that isn't the point, right?

    Right?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,985 ✭✭✭almostover


    Ireland did support a population of 8.5 million. Most of whom lived in abject squalor, misery, disease and poverty. We had zero industry. In fact, the country would have faired better during the potato blight if the population was smaller. But there were far more complex things at play during the famine. It's incomparable to 2022 Ireland.

    The simple reality is this country cannot support this level of inward migration and provide a decent standard of living to those immigrants. We're struggling to provide a decent standard of living to the 5 million odd inhabitants already. That's a failure of government policy I concede.

    There's zero wrong with increasing the population of Ireland to 8.5 million through both inward migration and natural population growth. There's plenty wrong with doing nothing to facilitate it in a safe manner though. Which is precisely what is being done now.

    What we have is morons like O'Gorman. Champagne socialists who are preoccupied with virtue signaling and avoiding doing anything that might be considered even a hint pro-controlled migration. People who have taken a leave from reality. And now that approach is backfiring spectacularly. And the most ironic part is those who are suffering are those who O'Gorman et al are pontificating to us all about helping.

    Tough decisions now need to be made. Unpopular decisions even. This crisis has yet even to reach its peak. Wait until the winter COVID wave comes in, along with Flu, Vomiting Bug and all the other usual seasonal illnesses. Health system will be beyond capacity again and O'Gorman and his pals in government will be on RTE playing the poor mouth and wondering how this all happened.

    The simple fact is, if we wish to be more open to immigrants, which is a noble and just principle, then we must FIRST create the infrastructure necessary for our society to cope with the population growth.

    As the old adage says 'The road to hell is paved with good intentions'.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    Tell us your that are a yank without telling us that you are a yank.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    Projection of 15,000 beds short by December.

    Time for the Government to wake up and call Time on this. A good first step would be to keep o Gorman away from any decision making. The man's on a different planet .



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Soooo. You’re ok with families, women, children, babies, grandparents living in bunkers to avoid bombings. Gotcha. Personally, I think that we’re not doing enough. Let Putin get away with this and we’re all doomed. I hope that sits lightly with you. Personally, I find attitudes like yours abhorrent. That’s just my gut instinct. Probably will get me banned, but I’m speaking from my heart b



  • Registered Users Posts: 19 sarahahahaha


    You say wre not doing enough.

    So what do you think of my idea of funding a new temporary city nearer or in the Ukraine?

    Quicker, cheaper, less distance to travel.

    I made a thread on it in this forum.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,889 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Minister O'Gorman admitting that we are a destination country?

    "We currently don't have a line of sight on that amount of accommodation and that is why we are letting people know if they have an option, if they are in another EU member state, to either stay there or look to another EU member state, that we can't guarantee state accommodation into next week"


    The number of Ukranian people arriving to Ireland stands at around 1,500 per week, double what it was in August and September, on top of around 400 others seeking international protection weekly.




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    When you called local Irish people sex starved you weren't banned but I was. I think you be safe enough.

    Do you understand the meaning of something when it's full, reached capacity.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19 sarahahahaha


    There should be about the population of limerick city arrived by Christmas.

    So instead of building the city here, where land prices and construction costs are some of the highest in the world, build a temporary version in a much cheaper place, much quicker, closer to the ukraine?

    We're all paying for it already, one way or another, why not get the best value?



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,314 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    It’s war, it happens, nobody is ok with it. But seeing as we are neither causing it, facilitating it or supporting it…

    Myanmar, Ethiopia, Eritrea and Sudan all have wars ongoing… do you advocate that we continuously support endangered citizens of those countries ? Families, women, children, babies, grandparents living in bunkers to avoid bombings ?


    We’ve done more then enough… are continuing to do so…to the point of our government being abjectly careless, incompetent and belligerently wasteful regarding the wellbeing and safety of tax paying citizens.. it’s ridiculous….



  • Registered Users Posts: 19 sarahahahaha


    Build a new city abroad.

    Social welfare could still be paid to the inhabitants, but at local rate so it would save a fortune.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,559 ✭✭✭baldbear


    We need to keeping letting in as many as possible.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Sure. Pass it on to anyone else! We can build a new city here. Let refugees line in it for up to 3 years. Then hand it over to our homeless. If they would live there!



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    If we had of built for our OWN homeless in the first place we might have had more capacity.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Who is Ireland?

    apparently Ireland agreed to take in a massive amount of people into a country who fails to house and give medical services to its own people

    so who is Ireland?

    as a citizen I was never asked the question to have the agreement in the first place with whomever even though I have contributed hundreds of thousands of euro to the coffers of this state over the years



  • Registered Users Posts: 19 sarahahahaha


    Why build a city here at top prices, with a housing crisis that proves its slow as treacle, when it could be done much cheaper and quicker elsewhere?

    All the effort and expense is needed here as it is, so why not just shift that effort abroad?

    Every single extant issue stays the same, not enough builders, not enough teachers, not enough health staff. If they're already not here, it makes no difference if they're somewhere else.

    Social welfare and supports could achieve the same outcome for fractions what it would cost here.

    Building a temporary town or city abroad has nothing to be said against it which can't be said against here already, except with a lot more upsides.

    We're funding a city of people here as it stands, money wise and infrastructure wise, why not just do it somewhere else?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I’ve been volunteering with Ukrainians (amongst other local charities) since the war broke out. One of the petty complaints I’ve heard locally was that all the females were on the game. I posted a tongue in cheek jibe about sex starved locals and you took offence. Basically you had a sense of humour bypass. You didn’t get the joke.

    If councils were allowed build either modular homes or other, we’d have plenty of room.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19 sarahahahaha


    You weren't asked to take on this burden.

    But seeing as you're paying anyway, wouldn't you rather get bang for your buck?

    Why pay to accommodate 100k people from somewhere else when you could pay the same to house 200k for half the price in a different country, social welfare for them, healthcare for them, education for them?

    It achieves precisely the same goal, except multiples better.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    If other countries planning and NIMBYism is anything like ours, the refugees will be sleeping on the streets.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    No my point is . Could I or would i of been allowed to post a joke about sex mad certain people I won't mention without a massive uproar on here. Especially by the mods.definetly not.

    By the way I never implied or read a post implying what you mentioned.

    A discussion and statements should be fair to both sides.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Cost analysis please how many can we build at 300k a pop. Remove the nimby element simple give us how many can be built and for what price.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19 sarahahahaha


    If that were the case, then what's the point of coming here at all?

    The Irish government is tripping over itself to help as many people from all over the planet and they are using Irish people's money to do so, come hell or not such is their altruism with other people's money.

    So why don't they take charge of the building and funding of a city in another country at far better value for money?

    Better outcome.

    Quicker outcome.

    Better value.

    It's not like they have any other reason for specifically bringing them here. That wouldn't make any sense. Right?



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,205 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    its tragically comic watching virtue signalling meets reality, starting to feel sorry for Ukranians being duped at this stage coming here

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Were they even told what the situation is here vs what the headline rates were for supports.



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