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You've been looking in the wrong direction, the dangers are coming from the right.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 21,632 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    You tell me, I must have missed all the videos of hospitals being overrun with people suffering and dying from it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    Lest we forget.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,632 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Do you see any difference between going to a protest about systemic racism resulting in someones death at the heads of those hired to keep people safe versus having a few drinks and listening to a band?

    I don't drink and drive, but if I had had a drink at home and my child became violently ill, and I was told the wait time for an ambulance was hours, I wouldn't hesitate to drive to the hospital if I was sure I could do so. And I wouldn't equate that with someone driving to the pub with the express intent to drive home after a skinful.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,436 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    All supported by our Tanaiste at the time ^^ who egged the protesters on....in the middle of a pandemic...you couldn't go to watch your kids playing a football match because they were all called off at the time!

    Ya, the most dangerous pandemic of our time indeed!!



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    But its not been the most dangerous pandemic we have lived though. For the vast vast vast majority it was nothing. Especially in Ireland. So much for the USA where people avoid medical care like the plague due to expense. Monkey pox was extremely transmissible. But fell of the news feed fairly fast. The lockdowns should have been for those at risk not the other way around. Total failure in nursing homes here. Anyway this has been dragged off topic enough just like another thread.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    If that was an Anti lockdown water cannons and batons.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,632 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Because the difference between support for the war on terror and subsequent inflated military budgets for 2 decades versus the weekly death toll from Covid with huge resistance to restrictions designed to limit its impact is very stark.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    I did not take part in the war on terror so no idea really.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,632 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Monkey pox fell off the news because it wasn't having as great an impact as Covid. Thankfully, and I'm not saying that to make light of the fact of anyone who suffered from it.

    Covid was less impactful than it might have been 'because' of the restrictions that were put in place.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,632 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how




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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    Do you see any difference between going to a protest about systemic racism resulting in someones death at the heads of those hired to keep people safe versus having a few drinks and listening to a band?

    What systemic racism exists in Ireland to warrant THOUSANDS to take to the streets during "the most dangerous pandemic any of us have lived through." If Floyd had been "Oirish" then there may have been naw, fcuk that - "all the videos of hospitals being overrun with people suffering and dying from it" would have made anyone with a functioning brain cell stay 2km away from O'Connell Street that day.

    I don't drink and drive, but if I had had a drink at home and my child became violently ill, and I was told the wait time for an ambulance was hours, I wouldn't hesitate to drive to the hospital if I was sure I could do so. And I wouldn't equate that with someone driving to the pub with the express intent to drive home after a skinful.

    Most normal folk would ask a neighbour, a family member, or a last resort ring the Fire Brigade.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,632 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Ya, the most dangerous pandemic of our time indeed!!

    Don't think anyone can argue otherwise. Complaining about restrictions when they actually helped limit the spread as vaccines were developed would be like complaining about seatbelts and only using data from accidents in which they were worn to say they weren't really necessary.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Wrong again masks did nothing why were not wearing them now. Social distancing very little affect. Were not even testing for covid now. It's rampant just not reported as such. Media realised it's a dead duck just another flu.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    I never said it was, I'm not American. America has turned into clown world Glad I don't live there.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,632 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    What systemic racism exists in Ireland to warrant THOUSANDS to take to the streets during "the most dangerous pandemic any of us have lived through." If Floyd had been "Oirish" then there may have been naw, fcuk that - "all the videos of hospitals being overrun with people suffering and dying from it" would have made anyone with a functioning brain cell stay 2km away from O'Connell Street that day.

    There's no doubting but that there some things that grab societies attention more than others, we've already spoken about how much of an influence the US is on world affairs and given the brutality of that event, and the fact that it was another in a long line of events where it was clear the the behaviour of the police was excessive and disproportionate, then it motivated people to add their voice to those saying it is/was unacceptable.

    That aside, you'll find plenty people who suggest that there is systemic racism is in Ireland. I'm not saying there is, I don't know, I suspect that there definitely is clusters of it but because you or I might not be affected by it, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. What would you think a member of the travelling community would say to that question?

    Most normal folk would ask a neighbour, a family member, or a last resort ring the Fire Brigade.

    Pretty sure most people understood that in that analogy that such an option wasn't available. Are you saying that if you had only 2 choices, let your child suffer and possibly become seriously unwell/die, or drive while being over the limit, you would choose the former?



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,632 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how




  • Registered Users Posts: 21,632 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    I do live there. And have lived most of my life in Ireland and also for a period in the UK.

    And the US is the exact same as those places, some good things about it, some bad. There are very few countries that have no redeeming features and things I dislike about the US, are some of the things I'm alluding to in the thread title.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    No People with covid still spread covid. Were not wearing masks.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,632 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Do you understand the concept of reducing risk while not removing it entirely?

    Some people wearing seat belts die in car accidents, do you think there should be no law saying that they have to be worn?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Irish government Is not saying that. CDC can say what it likes. We have not been wearing them since Feb. Vaccines have tanked as I posted a link. Life is moving on. I had a vaccine if were interested did my bit. Healthcare workers even with good kit got covid common denominator enclosed space. And the CDC are saying testing positive nothing to do with health outcome.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,436 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Oh another thing about Authoritarian leaders, their tight control of media allows them peddle whatever they want to peddle, they will often use fear as a tactic to control the masses...just something to look out for!!



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    What would you think a member of the travelling community would say to that question?

    The travelling community are not a different race, despite what the folks who tell you that a man can be a woman tell you.

    Pretty sure most people understood that in that analogy that such an option wasn't available. Are you saying that if you had only 2 choices, let your child suffer and possibly become seriously unwell/die, or drive while being over the limit, you would choose the former?

    Thing is, there isn't just two choices. One advantage of being in Ireland is that you're never far from neighbours or services like the fire brigade who are fantastic first responders. A call to 999 is free and you don't even have to have a subscribed mobile plan to dial. If you're drinking whilst responsible for the care of a child then you ought to be asking serious questions about your maturity.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,287 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    @Danno

    Globalism is the only form of Capitalism that Socialists and Communists like

    Never ceases to amaze me people coming out with absolute shite like this. If you had any clue what you were trying to talk about you'd know that actual Socialists and Communists (if such a thing even exists any more) would be firmly against a globalist corporate structure as a broker of power over the people of a given state. It's fundamentally against such the political views that Socialists would have because corporate globalism is in direct opposition to their beliefs. It's one of the reasons why those on the left view the EU with a lot of scepticism.

    Globalism is a neo-liberal project born out of post war American political thinking. It has fuck all to do with the left wing of anywhere, despite what the modern right would have people believe.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,826 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    More than whatever the cause of that march, it was the class dynamics that saw it treated differently.


    If it had been working class people marching for whatever reason,the backlash would have been severe, as would the Gardaí response.


    The young well heeled being bored during lock down, that's different.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,888 ✭✭✭✭Rothko


    Thread title always makes me laugh when I read it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,632 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Cool. Glad to bring some light to your day.

    Do you disagree with it? If so, please explain in what way.

    We've already had

    • 'OP is wrong about everything and is only ideologically driven and blah blah blah'
    • 'Putin is Left Wing and he's dangerous so the thread title is false.'
    • 'Well at the end of the day, both sides do some things that aren't so good so we should assume they're both as bad as each other'.
    • 'There have been left wing people in the past were bad and so that means we shouldn't focus on what is being done by right wing people now'
    • 'Jeff Bezos is the epitome of socialism'
    • 'It's ok to talk about multiculturalism in Europe in a negative manner on here, but we shouldn't talk about conservativism in the US.'
    • 'People who tore down statues are worse than governments that restrict peoples right to protest.'

    Be interesting to see someone make a cogent argument for a change.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    On the protest part. Apparently during the worst pandemic in living history you could get dispensation to protest without masks. Well depending on what your protesting.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,960 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    How many refugees are in your glass house there



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭John Doe1


    0 but im not a supporter of the 'no limits' policy for refugees in the first place. We have a homelessness crisis and have no business housing a load of refugees from half away across the world where only 1% of the country is actually at war. Not even mentioning the fact that the number here are so high due to our overly generous welfare benefits, allowing refugees destroy their passports to hide their origin, and letting in men of fighting age.

    The government policy is against Irish people, genuine Ukrainian refugees and a spit in the face of our homeless.

    How many have you housed?



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