Liverpool FC Team Talk, Gossip, Rumours 2024/25

I hope you get the reaction you looking for. Nothing been said in last few pages is off the rails.

Squad depth, lack of investment, poor form, injuries and players brainlessly switching off is becoming the theme of almost every away game this season.

I would have been happy with 6pts from those 3 games, today we were missing Nunez, Jota, Diaz, Thiago, Keita, Konate and Matip, all of whom would make a difference.

It highlights to everyone that the next level is either too young and needs to be managed, e.g. last 20 mins of a game, or are too old or simply not good enough. Jones for me is not starting for Forest, I do not understand what he does, his stats are probably fantastic but he is so slow on the ball, takes too many touches, always passing sideways or backwards, etc - definitely needs to be loaned out.

The World Cup is going to be great for us, only 3 games till Dec 26th, have to win the home games v Leeds and Southampton, then Spurs is a free one for now, gives up 22pts after 14 games and probably 6/7 points off 4th with 24 games to go.

On Jan 1st, we need to purchase 2 midfielders, if we are not going to then 4th is unlikely and the focus will shift to the Cups, hopefully we get a draw or better v Ajax & at least we are through to knockout stages of the CL

Why is it FSG's fault? Klopp himself said he was happy with the midfield options. Do you want FSG to sign players Klopp doesn't want?

I see blame been passed to FSG a few times now and I don't get it. I don't recall any reports of Klopp wanting a player and FSG saying no. All reports said Klopp was happy with midfield options until we picked up another injury, which Klopp then said he got it wrong. We tried to sign a player, he went to Madrid and seems the club decided to wait for Bellingham. That's not an FSG decision, that'd be a Klopp and transfer committee decision.

FSG have spent 85 million (a club record fee perhaps?) on a player who has had 1 good season. It's about as risky a transfer since Andy Carroll, but it's who Klopp wanted, so FSG backed him. From what I can see, FSG have backed Klopp from the start, and this is echoed by the fact Klopp has never complained about our transfer business.

But happy to be proven wrong.

Tightly restricted? Hardly, we spend 85m on one player. Klopp has to work with a budget like the majority of managers, which he himself said just a week ago is totally fine. If the budget is so tight and we need a midfielder, spending 85m on one player probably isn't a good idea. Again, don't see how that is FSG's fault.

Ultimately, Klopp came out and said he was happy, there were zero reports suggesting otherwise. I'm gonna take the man at his word, as we have seen recently, he's not afraid to speak the truth.

There is nothing backing the point that FSG are holding him back. FSG backed him to create a squad that won everything, there has been zero indication that our transfer policy has changed since that.

Why is it difficult? He literally said he was happy with his midfield options. He sanctioned the purchase of an 85m player, why would he do that if he wanted to enforce midfield?

We tried to sign a midfielder, he chose another team. All reports are saying we are waiting for Bellingham. We have done this before with VVD, it seems we are doing it again. I very much doubt this is against Klopp's wishes, and even more so doubt that it was FSG's decision.

It just feels like people don't want to put some blame on Klopp, despite him literally saying he got it wrong. He's not flawless at the end of the day 🙂

It is a little naive to think that what managers say during media engagements is 100 honest and their true feelings. Managers get briefed by the club media guys who will intruct them on what questions to expect and how to answer them. The media are managed. The rare times managers deviate is when they are under extreme pressure or their relationship with the owners starts to turn sour.

But there is zero reports of Klopp's unhappiness. The man even said he got it wrong with regards to midfield options. Why would he admit to this if he wanted options and wasn't allowed?

We all knew when Rodgers wasn't happy, these things get out. There has been no suggestion of this with Klopp. There has been no suggestion our transfer policy and budget has changed from the one used to build a title winning squad, which Klopp was more than happy with.

So we should just ignore all the evidence we have and blame FSG? Seems to me people are clutching to just not blame Klopp.

Again, if the budget is so limited, why spend 85m on one player that's not a midfielder? That'd be a ridiculous decision, and certainly not one FSG would have made.

Make no mistake about it we’re in a proper battle for top 4. Can beat anyone on a good day. So a league cup or fa cup wouldn’t be out of the question. But mentality monsters are long gone. Haven’t got the consistency, mentality or legs. Lost to the worst team in the league today.

The point is none of us know. We each have our opinion but nobody knows for sure which is right.

Just on your own, you seem to put alot of weight on the idea that what Klopp says to the media should be taken at face value as the truth. It is alot more weight than I would put on it given the nature of media interviews and managers being briefed by clubs on what to say.

It is my opinion that Klopp will never come out with criticism of the owners, irrespective of whether he wishes he had more money to spend. He has shown in the past that he prefers to take full responsibilty for issues upon himself, protecting both players and owners alike, even when it is clear he is not being honest in doing so. He has indicated he knew how FSG would operate when he took the job on, that there would be constraints with FSG making no secret of the fact they wanted to focus on making the club self sufficient and increasing its revenue. They have completed that goal in exemplary fashion. If you were to judge them as owners in a business sense they get full marks.

With regard to the Nunez transfer I think the club found themselves in a difficult position they were unprepared for and there was a sense of panic about the transfer. Mane had come out and said he wanted to leave, Origi was free to leave and had indicated he was leaving, and Minamino wanted more game time. We faced losing 3 attackers in one window and we still had Mo yet to sign a contract. FSG knew they would have to do something. They panicked, something we haven't seen from them before. I see the 85m spent on Nunez as unique in a unique set of circumstances, one that won't be repeated. We will continue to operate with a sort of sell to buy policy. Trouble is we can no longer rely on getting crazy money for academy players to boost the coffers.

Correct, none of us know, but the evidence points in one direction, and most here seem to be going the opposite for no apparent reason other than we can't take Klopp on his word at press conferences, which is a pretty weak argument in my opinion.

If Klopp wasn't happy, you'd get a sense of it. We have seen this time and time again with manager's. Klopp literally said he got it wrong, why would he do this if it's actually FSG. It just doesn't make sense.

Maybe I'm wrong here, but I thought Mane had informed the club his desire to leave well before the summer. I get no sense of panicking on the Nunez transfer, it seemed planned in my opinion. Either way, FSG would not have been the ones to pick Nunez and that price. That would have been Klopp and the transfer committee, they would have decided where to allocate the money. And by all reports, we are waiting on Bellingham, again, not something FSG would decide. All evidence suggests FSG leave it to the team to decide transfers, so why they get blamed for a lack of transfers is beyond me.

What evidence? The entire basis of your opinion is simply taking whatever Klopp says to the media at face value. It's not really evidence if you believe, with reasonable cause, that what managers tell the media is not always their true feelings. It is managed.

Mane informed the club he wanted to leave after the champions league final. I don't think the Nunez transfer was planned. The necessity of replacing Mane was definitely a factor, as was the fact Salah hadn't signed a new contract.

Nobody is assigning sole blame to FSG. There is a shared responsibilty on all of them. I just don't believe it's all on Klopp and his team that the squad is in its current state. Do you honestly think that a manager of Klopp's experience and success, backed up by professional coaches, medical teams and statisticians, thought it was better to hold on to the likes of Ox and Keita than replace them and not spend money if it was there, or that our much celebrated transfer committee and manager identified just one midfielder, just one, that would be an addition to the squad?

Bellingham will have his pick of clubs and with the way this season is going you couldn’t imagine he’ll be considering liverpool. The age profile of the squad is all wrong looking forward. This team is coming to end of its cycle. You’d have to imagine it’ll be madrid or city for him.