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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The civilised world doesn’t need Russia.

    The more this war goes on the longer Russia will be out in the cold, especially with Dictator Putin in charge. Russia is going to collapse to North Korea level serfdom for the mass population.

    We are most certainly too dependent on Dictator run China, but thankfully the West has woken up to this. It will take time to pivot from China. Apart from energy… Russia, not so much. And energy is being worked on.

    Interesting times indeed.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,392 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Total collapse of the Ukrainian military, attack on NATO territory, some form of raid to secure a critical asset, or nuclear explosion.

    101 has a specific role set. Any major fighting by the US in Ukraine would be done by one of the heavy divisions. Last I looked, the US basically had one heavy (armored) division in theater, though not blatantly advertised as such, not least because the units are rather scattered from Greece to Estonia. They would need to concentrate for an offensive push, or wait for another division or two to sail over to fight as an armored Corps.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,022 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    Poland? Poland is heading to a bankruptcy fast with the highest inflation and mad spending, which won't stop till election in the autumn next year...

    Timing is really bad, that's why Putin started that war just after Covid knowing that world will be in a very bad state.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,984 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    I agree that cracks are appearing, but the notion that any sort of "hell" will break lose in Russia is very much wishful thinking. Look at all the authoritarians still in power, Assad, Maduro, Lukashenko. Putin has a much stronger grip than any of them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,022 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    Yeah, but he has much more different ethnic groups to please, while he is mainly killing young men from these nations sending them to this war.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 20,053 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Russian excess deaths in Nov 2021 were 930,000, so their total Covid deaths must have exceeded a million. Maybe the war is all about stealing children to make up for the losses? They sure seem to be devoting considerable effort and prioritising the mass kidnappings.

    Of course all that grain and gas would come in handy for adjusting the behaviours of many food importing countries, so a bonus.

    I recently saw something about Ukraine finishing a natural gas production well that would save them $150m a year in imports, I'll try and find it. Another thing the Orcs no doubt want.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,053 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,520 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Well

    Well this time last year, the world was a completely different place, and Putin's place in it much more secure. Ditto Lukashenko, Maduro and last but not least Assad. I was in Belgrade when the population rose up and removed Milosevic. They marched as one on Belgrade from all points if the compass and despite heavy military / police roadblocks, swept him aside. They had had enough of him. Putin saved Assads neck at the last minute (for a price, of course) question is, can Assad hold on to power without Putins support? We could be about to find out, the war is not finished yes, and Idlib still has a large rebel / resistance presence. The regime are still carrying out bombing missions there. As for Lukashenko,,,,,,another one whose position heavily depends on Putin. There was always opposition to Putins invasion of Ukraine, but it was heavily suppressed, but in the last few weeks, since mobilization it has become much more vocal, and as the living standards drop, and the death toll rises this opposition will increase. Not to mention the knives waiting in the wings, as his potential successors vie for dominance. I don't think that we will be waiting too long,, definitely not years anyway. I'd be surprised if he is still around in 12 mths. But we will see how it goes throughout the winter.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,520 ✭✭✭jmreire


    When Putins regime falls, Russia will need new governance, untainted by any connections with the present one, and ready to step in and act quickly to restore law and order.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,221 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    What a pity... that's second such 'accident' in recent weeks. What does this point to? Just a statistical consequence of a far greater number of missions being flown or possibly poorly serviced aircraft, flown by inexperienced pilots?



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,984 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Wish I shared your optimism. I've spent 10 years hearing about how Assad is about to be gone. Most of my life hearing about the Kim Dynasty. Xi in China has just consolidated so much power as to put him on practically the same level as Mao.

    Putin is not going anywhere. If he does step aside it will be his choice and he'll be replaced by someone subservient to him (like his lap-dog Medvedev)



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,053 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Yeah, I think honest foreign nationals are going to have to be imported to do the job too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,520 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Priority in Ukrainian reconstruction and restitution will come before any kind of acceptance of Russia back into the fold once more. But the Interantional Community will let them stew for a long while first and make them prove that they have changed their ways. The International bailout terms we got here in Ireland, will pale into insignificance compared to what the financial markets will impose on Russia, assuming that the even get involved. When Russian history is written for this century, Putin will prove to be the most destructive individual, in how much destruction he has wrought on Russia itself.



  • Registered Users Posts: 244 ✭✭Perseverance The Second


    It points to two things:

    Fatigue- Both in reference to the airframes as many jets now have to perform a large number of sorties- but also for the pilots as they have to work their bodies around intense schedules.

    Lack of maintenance- Preventative maintenance is a vital part to maintaining any aircraft. During a war the increased need for sorties means that preventative maintenance is now a secondary priority. For more modern aircraft such as SU-30 it can also be impacted by a lack of available western electronics.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,374 ✭✭✭SortingYouOut


    Why shouldn't a government be formed by Russians, there are plenty in Russia who aren't for the Putin regime.

    Beverly Hills, California



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,053 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,221 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    ?? What's that got to do with Russian warplanes crashing?



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,053 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Because what worked for fixing Japan after WW2 was to have the country run by foreigners for decades until they got the message. It worked. Russia will revert to type, otherwise, which is authoritarian dictatorship.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭Asdfgh2020


    But there is no ‘opposition’ in Russian politics…..???



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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,716 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    There is no succession plan for after Putin as far as any opinion I've read on it. Seems he simply hasn't bothered to groom a successor. It's not not like when Yeltsin resigned.

    There would probably be a power vacuum if Putin went now and all kinds of chaos.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,053 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Work their bodies.. well there sure is lot of that to work:




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,374 ✭✭✭SortingYouOut


    Japan during/after WWII is not comparable to Russia now, that is nonsense you are speaking. Back in the mid-40's it was acceptable for a state to take control of another for the good of the west, but that isn't the case now. You're tarring all Russians with the one brush here, and think they all need to get some sort of message?

    Beverly Hills, California



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,053 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    You have your opinion, and I have mine. I find the idea perfectly acceptable.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,053 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Nikolai Patrushev, 70, head of Putin’s security council.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,053 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Just boards' messed up draft system doing it's thing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,657 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I was reading an interesting article recently about how Baltic intelligence chiefs regard Russia as a dysfunctional basket case, perhaps one of the most dysfunctional societies on the entire planet. It would / will take one hell of a transformation to bring them even close to being a normal European country. They've had several hundred years of authoritarian rule with virtually no interruptions. The place is almost brutalised.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,816 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Lads there's no justification for invading Russia and foreign rulers installed unless they go on a nuking spree which they won't unless Russia itself is invaded. And even at that it would only be a last resort if they can't defend themselves.

    There's no justification for invading Iran, north Korea or anybody to try instill your way of thinking. The best way to do this is economically. Cut all ties and refuse to do business.

    If you do you're no better then Putin and what he's trying in Ukraine. I was never a fan of the yanks and Brits invading Afghanistan or Iraq.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,159 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    And that's the problem right there JM. IMHO you're up against a deeply engrained culture, a "national character" if I were to use a sledgehammer generalisation, where things ebb and flow around the edges but has a core that remains remarkably consistent over time and that core seems to want autocrats and "Others" to blame. And of course the succession of autocrats have convinced them that's what they need. That's decades even centuries of conditioning.

    So putin goes and then you'd have to remove all the minions he installed down the years including the head of the Russian Church. Good luck with that. You'd have to remove all the media pundits who've been shilling this "national character" and revisionist history. Then you'd have to change the school curriculum. You'd have to change the mindset of a lot of the population.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,520 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Before ever you had covid or war deaths in Russia, you had a seriously declining Russian population. Putin has managed to make life unlivable for the majority of people, and the reaction of women of childbearing age has been to have less children. It's some testimonial of a society when for every 1'000 births, there are 500 abortions. And all thanks to Putin. To try to maintain population figures, the monster is kidnapping thousands of Ukrainian Children.



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