General British politics discussion thread

22-10-2022 6:09pm

badenoch switches from Johnson and publicly backs Sunak. That’s significant.

VinLieger · 23-10-2022 8:46am

Boris doesnt have Steve Baker or the rest of ERG I dont see how he hits 100 without them.

Pete_Cavan · 23-10-2022 9:57am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119782035#Comment_119782035

I don't believe the ERG act as a homogeneous block all of the time, no whip. Some of them, eg. JRM, will support him anyway, others may see him as the least worse option (from their pov) and someone they can manipulate. I can't see an out and out ERG type who has a chance of becoming leader, and even if there was, they probably wouldn't be accepted by the general public which would play into Labour's hands. Boris has always been a useful idiot for them.

VinLieger · 23-10-2022 10:11am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119782157#Comment_119782157

Mogg hasnt really been too involved with the ERG since he went into cabinet, Mark Francois is the current chair but hasnt spoke up at all yet. Bridgen and Baker would be a pretty good representation of the views imo so if they arent supporting him then i cant see many others doing so.

Pete_Cavan · 23-10-2022 10:16am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119782198#Comment_119782198

Well they have to support somebody, so who? Individuals may just choose for themselves, in which case some may go with Boris. He doesn't need them all.

Dont be at yourself · 23-10-2022 10:29am

Does the fact that it's a private ballot work in Boris' favour or not? Are the public endorsements by MPs coming because they believe in Boris, or just because they think he will win? Similar to 'shy Tory voters', do we have 'shy Boris voters' not willing to publicly back him but who will vote for him all the same?

Christy42 · 23-10-2022 10:42am

Interesting to note a few bbc journalists have been willing to repeat claims he has 100 backers. It reads like an attempt to flush out more public supporters by convincing them he is the winning side by the Boris camp.

And the BBC "journalists" are more than happy to have their contacts abuse them for access.

PommieBast · 23-10-2022 5:48pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119782245#Comment_119782245

Correct me if I'm wrong but i thought the requirement is 100 public nominations.

VinLieger · 23-10-2022 6:46pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119783675#Comment_119783675

Nope they dont have to be public, simply need to be delivered by email or physically to Tory Hq

FrancieBrady · 23-10-2022 9:25pm

He is not running, but my god the damage has been done.

Tory politics is in chaos.

devnull · 23-10-2022 10:09pm

There's no way he's got over 100.

He was practically begging Mordaunt this morning to row in behind him in a bid to win over all of her supporters to give his own numbers a boost. That's not the act of someone who has the numbers, it's the act of someone who doesn't has the numbers and is making one desperate attempt to win some last votes to get him over the line.

Johnson is a narcissist and could never admit to the fact he didn't get the numbers required, because that is not how narcissists work. By saying he got the numbers when he didn't and then say he is acting in the national interest, he is painting himself as the good guy and that he does everyone a favour and people will speak good of him. This is typical narcistic behaviour, putting themselves in a position where they can be adored.

As ever with Boris, it's always about him.

hotmail.com · 23-10-2022 10:43pm

The Tories smashing glass ceilings again giving Britain it's first Prime Minister with an Indian background. It will no doubt be a proud moment for the British Indian community.

The Tories gave Britain 3 female PMs and a Jewish PM in the past and now this.

VinLieger · 23-10-2022 10:44pm

Honestly can't see Rishi making it 2 years with the state of the Tory party infighting and absolutely no way they make it to 2024

Strazdas · 23-10-2022 10:47pm

Fair amount of shade from Sunak here : he appears to be telling Johnson to 'get off the stage' in coded terms.

https://twitter.com/RishiSunak/status/1584294869341655040

hotmail.com · 23-10-2022 10:56pm

I can't see Johnson wanting to be leader of the Tories if they're in opposition. So I suspect this was his last chance on a big return.

Tell me how · 23-10-2022 11:06pm

Last few days have just been so typical Johnson.

Away on holidays during one of the most tumultuous periods of UK politics in years. Came back when he saw a sniff of an opportunity to gain power. Had portions of the media fawning over him doing so. Lied about exactly what was going on and abandoned those who supported him when it became clear it was a futile exercise.

All it has done is undermined Sunak's leadership and further shown up the motivations within the Tory party. The more I think about it, the more incredible it seems that there was no mechanism by which to initiate a General election over the last 2 weeks. To keep the electorate shut out from the process immediately after Brexit had been sold to the country on the basis of 'taking back control' is a pretty clear demonstration once again of how much of a lie that was.

I'm glad Johnson has failed, and even more so that it made Dories, Zawhai and Mogg pin their colours to his mast once again and are left with egg on their face but the UK is still vey much in a crises.

Water John · 23-10-2022 11:19pm

Just laugh at how idiotic Sturridge and Heaton-Harris feel tonight, but then they both might have Dunning-Kruger syndrome.

Loafing Oaf · 23-10-2022 11:37pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119785078#Comment_119785078

Yes, I can hear it now: "I understand you have a great love of the Caribbean Boris, so I have decided to exploit your particular talents by appointing you governor-general of Montserrat"....

breezy1985 · 23-10-2022 11:42pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119785240#Comment_119785240

A jeysus the poor people of Montserrat have had enough woes with the volcano and all that.

Can't see him being too popular on an island that is more black and Irish than The Commitments either 🤣

Strazdas · 23-10-2022 11:46pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119785240#Comment_119785240

Indeed, I was getting Duke of Windsor vibes from that tweet. "Why don't you do us all a favour and take up some fancy titled position abroad with your missus and never return?" 😊

pixelburp · 24-10-2022 8:53am

Speaks to the levels of hubris that Johnson, presumably, thought he could finish his holidays, swan back to Blighty and be feted as the returning hero to sort out the Tories; I won't deny I'd have loved to be there when he realised that the smoke JRM and Dorries were blowing up his backside was unfounded & the Tories confirmed they wanted nothing to do with him. Though the fact Sunak now smells like the sensible, middleground choice is depressing.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119779990#Comment_119779990

That was a somewhat unsurprising exchange: I've seen/heard it before with LBC callers who seem to conflate ethnicity with nationality. You see the same here to a degree, but whereas we've only had maybe a maximum of 30 years of Ireland as a Melting Pot, there's a cultural narrative of UK as this cosy, fuss-free land of successful integration and harmony - yet idiots like that caller demonstrate there's a clear, demonstrative glass ceiling at play in the minds of its white demographic.

"Boris loves England" was a standout, darkly funny line though. Amid all the pathetic racism of the man that was the understandable focus, it's deeply amusing how some have utterly believed Johnson's facade. Mind you, Johnson's white so ... we know why his brand's easier to buy into than Sunak's.

Beechwoodspark · 24-10-2022 8:54am

Yep. Fair amount of animosity towards Sunak from Tory members it seems.

let alone the general public.

choppy waters ahead for RS

FrancieBrady · 24-10-2022 8:55am

Who was the candidate on Morning Ireland who was claiming the race is not over and that he was still in it?

Pete_Cavan · 24-10-2022 9:31am

It seems Mordaunt reckons she can still get to 100 - presumably Boris backers switching to her to block Sunak. It could go to the membership after all.

ancapailldorcha · 24-10-2022 10:03am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119784923#Comment_119784923

It also hands him a handy weapon he can use to undermine Mordant or Sunak after they take the flak for the winter crisis. He can just say he acted in the national interest and then stick it in when he feels like it.

Loafing Oaf · 24-10-2022 10:31am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119785860#Comment_119785860

Well she would say that...

Brussels Sprout · 24-10-2022 10:41am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119785860#Comment_119785860

Probably just hoping that Sunak offers her what she wants to withdraw rather than holding out any real hope.

awec · 24-10-2022 12:14pm

So we are supposed to believe that Boris flew home from holidays, did all his begging and bartering, finally got the numbers to run in a vote that he would almost certainly win and become PM again this week.

But then, decided he shouldn't.

This man's casual relationship with the truth is really something.

awec · 24-10-2022 12:17pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119786136#Comment_119786136

I dunno, I think if she can scrape to 100 she will take her chances in the members vote. I reckon she has a decent chance.

Brussels Sprout · 24-10-2022 12:21pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119786519#Comment_119786519

There's going to be a non-binding, indicative vote of the MPs if there are 2 of them who pass the threshold. It seems the idea for that is the hope that whoever comes second in that would gracefully withdraw at that point. Presumably so that they can "heal" the party and crown the winner today without going to the members. Now, obviously Boris Johnson would have probably not have gone along with that plan but Mordaunt actually might.

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