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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,630 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    Hopefully Sunak will stand up to the ERG. Time will tell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,030 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    Johnson has pulled out of the race.

    Maybe somebody pointed out the ridiculousness of what he was attempting.

    I doubt he came to that conclusion on his own. He is too stupid.

    Doing the same thing again and expecting different results.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,820 ✭✭✭PommieBast


    @Bass Reeves

    Well it's Rishi. Boris has thrown in the towel.

    Havn't got my head around that utter chancer actually giving up..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,028 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    He is/was the master of bluster. It had it's time and place. Churchill was the man of an occasion. Boris taught he could do the same. But he had no principles. Churchill spend 6-8 years in the political wilderness. Boris always had to be in the public glare. He could not cope with exile like Churchill.

    Deep down Churchill was a democrat, an anti-fascist. Boris wanted to use the fascists ( the ERG) to gain power. When his thinking on them was not popular he still stood by his beliefs.

    Boris is like Trump the end justify the means. While Consertives politics has many points to admire, it's the extremes of it that destroy it as a political movement.

    The longer it's stays in power, the more polarising the belief of a hard core of its party becomes.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,883 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    This guy cites a fairly similar episode in the not too distant past

    So it was in 2016, fresh from being hailed by Brexiters as the defining reason for the Vote Leave victory, with Johnson billed as one of the frontrunners to succeed David Cameron.

    That time events were even more dramatic, but followed a similar narrative. Just before Johnson was due to formally declare, Michael Gove, his ally and Vote Leave partner, announced he believed Johnson was unsuited to the job and that he would stand instead. Johnson, his hopes badly damaged, gave up.




  • Registered Users Posts: 476 ✭✭Ramasun


    I'd have liked to see Boris Johnson become PM again and have to own the mess he made.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,028 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    People should be careful what they wish for. An unstable UK is of no help to Ireland. We are hugely dependent on the UK economy. A huge part of the exports from the domestic economy go into the UK. Boris and the circus that goes with him would be a disaster for Ireland both North and South

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,734 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Boris and the circus have already been a disaster for Ireland. And, yeah, more of the same would be worse again.

    But you have to ask yourself, what has to happen for the UK to change course in a direction that might do Ireland less harm? And I think one thing that has to happen for this to be even a possibility is a change of government in the UK. And that won't happen before January 2025, unless the Conservative government falls apart. So, just at the moment, Ireland's interest lies, ironically, in a maximally unstable UK government; it increases the chances of an early change of course.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,641 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Yep. A Labour government that respects international law and treaties is by far the best realistic short term development both Ireland and NI unionists could ask for.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,028 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I think if you think an unstable British government is good for Ireland you are deluded. If it's unstable it's being held to ransom by the ERG group and the Tory Thatcherite wing. Its the Chinese curse ''that you live in interesting times''

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,059 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    His point is that the only way to get a stable British government is for a GE to take place. Changing PMs is not the solution. The problem with Sunak is that he might be able to hold things together for the next two years, delaying a GE. At least with Boris, it would fall apart much sooner and then the country can elect a stable government with a proper mandate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,734 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    This. For Brexiters, Brexit was supposed to make the UK more "nimble", but in fact it has dragged the UK into a policy cul-de-sac and created political sclerosis. For the UK to address the political and economic crisis that faces it, it has to accept that Brexit was a mistake and it has to start moving away from "getting Brexit done" and start realigning with the EU. But the Tory party is absolutely unable to do that. Therefore there must be a change of government. And, with a 70-seat majority for the Tories, that won't happen unless the Tory parliamentary party falls apart. Which requires continued Tory instability.

    So it's instability leading the a general election, or continued paralysis. Both lousy options, but they're all there is. Instability leading to a GE might not result in things getting any better but continued paralysis certainly won't so, of the two, instability is the less awful option.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭nigeldaniel


    Well, that was interesting. It's all up in the air how long Rishi Sunak can hold it all together. If the Uk economy gets any worse between now and next spring it will almost certainly lead to a Labour government after the next election there. The Tories could well do with a few years in opposition as they are looking burnt out and ring wary [boxing term for not wanting a scrap]

    Dan.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,068 ✭✭✭blackcard


    Kier Starmer



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