Attempting to destroy famous paintings because fossil fuels

We used to go to a protest every week when i was at uni. Used to meet at the students union building on a Wednesday at 2pm and then you would be given a can of cheap beer brought to where the protest was on. Sometimes we would get the bus and sometimes they would even have a private coach for us.

The main topic of conversatio0n on arriving at the students union was usually - What are we protesting about today?

Back in those days we used to grow out of being a child around 22 or 23 at most. These days people arent grown up until they are about 40.

Zzzzzzz you caught me out yes I have a bike made from materials. Clearly this means Just Stop Oil dont have a point. You're really clever.

Like honest to God, is this level of "gotcha" the best you lot can come up with in every thread?

Take carbon out of it for a second and look at the rest of the damage we have done via pollution. Which is very visible for us all to see. There is still raw sewage going into rivers, lakes and seas. We have decimated wildlife populations all across the globe. We are poisoning wildlife (and probably ourselves) with micro plastics leeching into everything.

Our economies in the west are built on us all being consumers so we do nothing about clothes being so cheap people throw them into landfill after one use despite the damage caused to make the clothing in the first place. We ban micro plastics from face scrubs but ignore the plastic leeching out from synthetic clothes, vegan leather and all the plastic crap we have that eventually ends up in the dump.

Even if your not onboard with global warming surely you can admit there is a big problem with what is happening to our planet.

I'm going to let you in on a little secret,very few people in ireland give much of a flying fùck about climate change.

RTE have to push the agenda,all the political parties have to tow the line but its not in most peoples top 10 everyday worries.Thats much more the case since real world realities have taken a hold in the last couple of years.

This is how you deal with them...

What sort of a person can't even grasp what it is they have said enough to come up with an accurate thread title.

All you've done is shown that a lot of the people complaining about them don't have the IQ to take part in the conversation. Embarrassing really.

So these protesters, and people like yourself, are the high IQ ones at the table? 😂

I agree with you 100% and I do my share when it comes to protecting our environment. In fact I was lambasted on another forum for suggesting that instead of replacing ICE cars with EV's, all current ICE's cars should be kept in use, recycled and repaired to the very end of their life. It took thousands of tons of the earth's finite resources to manufacture these vehicles & all the related pollution. So why throw a good roadworthy car on the scrap heap just to be replaced with a shiny new EV using up more and more of mother's earth's finite resources. There's a lot more to the pollution caused by cars that what comes out the tailpipe. It may come to pass that mining, processing and manufacturing the different minerals required for EV's batteries may be more damaging to the earth than oil. Lithium for example is just on of the many components of batteries in general including EV's and it's mining is causing untold damage.

Meanwhile back at the ranch...regarding global warming. I am on board with global warming, it's a process that started over 12,000 years ago and still continues. Without global warming the ice cap that existed over northern Europe and elsewhere would still be there. I do not claim to know what caused the many ice ages or the global warming that followed but none was caused by human activity. Planet earth is a tiny speck in a gigantic galaxy and forces / activities from that galaxy influence earth's climate and of course a minor change in the earth's 'axial tilt' to the sun can make a huge difference to life on earth as we know it today.

So the question, without a definite answer is, - will our current global warming episode that started thousands of years ago continue to slowly but surely melt the ice caps over the coming 1,000 years, no one knows - bananas could be growing in Greenland by 3022 ! Or will our ever changing planet tilt away from the sun and an ice sheet could envelope the earth as it did numerous times before. Human activity will have very little bearing on the long term survival / destruction of planet earth. No doubt thousands of other planets in our galaxy and many other galaxies are constantly evolving just like ours - We like to think that we are masters of our own and our planets destiny.... the truth is we're only passing through.

To label me a denier based on my posts on here is part of the problem.

I'm not a climate change denier in the slightest,it's real.

Its funny how the narrative goes with these things.

Call these morons out for what they are which is attention seeking arseholes and you get labelled somehow bizarrely as not seeing the big picture and being somehow a climate change denier, every thread goes the same way, say anything remotely negative about the green party or climate change activists and you are automatically "climate change denier" incapable of opening your eyes and seeing the big picture!!!

And the same posters/people who dole out these labels of "deniers incapable of opening their eyes to see the big picture" are the ones with such a narrow view of these things that they seem incapable of separating the act to the cause incapable of opening their own eyes to the fact you can believe in climate change but see morons for what they are, morons!!

Its like everything and anything is acceptable once it has a "green agenda" when in fact most of these actions by said morons only serves to actually piss people off negatively away from the issue at hand.

Yep thats it, no time for climate change at all here, none at all, no one, all black and white, either for it or against it, actually no one for it, not one.

But its good to see the general consensus that if you question anything at all then you are automatically on the other side.

You dont realise that you and others are every bit as bad as the deniers with no concept of there being a middle ground, dare to call out anything with a green agenda as being a bit moronic = automatic denier.

Like this thread, think these people are attention seeking morons, well you can only be a climate change denier, you couldnt possibly believe in climate change AND think these people are attention seeking morons.

I mean the thread is about people attacking paintings because they want to stop oil when in reality they dont, they want to be "ista legends" and social media champs attention whores.

They want to stop oil then go and protest the oil companies, go and protest in the major oil producing countries, they want to clean up the environment then go and protest in front of the places of power in china, india, the Us and Russia. Nah, too hard when ye can just be a tik tok leg for attacking a painting in a musem where Jeff the 60 year old security guard will give them a stern talking to!!

Moronic attention whores, nothing else.

The only thing causing the things you mention is Russia. The world produces enough food to feed it's population 1.5 times.

If there is any threat of famie it's because the green movement has lead to vast quantities of crops being wasted on producing biofuels. 40% of the US corn crop is devoted to making ethanol for adding to petrol.

right so unprecedented drought and heatwaves and other extreme weather events caused by climate change are not and will not affect food production at all. I hope you're right.

Its genuinely uncanny how you actually spell it out that you can only be one side in this case and dont see that as an issue? Your either a denier or an enabler which is it?

Like its actually impossible in your eyes to believe in climate change, believe we need to make massive change yet believe that these are attention seeking arseholes and nothing else!!

The fact is you dont seem to believe its possible to hold both these views at the same time which is quite frankly part of the problem!

We live in, what I describe as 'disposable society' for the want of another phrase, which is putting a huge strain on the earths finite resources. The women's fashion industry for example has a lot to answer for. A new outfit for every wedding, every year brings a new style for the coming four seasons while the previous 4 seasons gear hangs in the wardrobe good as new....but so yesterday - destined for the bin. The EU, US, Canada etc. should ban products being manufactured or imported with built in obsolescence (with stiff fines attached) Garage scrappage schemes for cars should be banned, instead car owners should be encouraged not to trade up by incentives like a nominal annual road tax of €20 on cars 10 years and over, free NCT test to include strict emissions test, VAT back on repair costs etc.

Remember the massive fires in Australia a few years ago? That lead to the entirely predictable massaging of numbers fed to climate models which then - hey presto - predicted exactly what you and other climate alarmists wanted, a conclusion that Australia, was destined for a future of drought, heat and fire. Last year Australia had a record grain harvest because it rained so much and was one of the coolest years for some time. This year the grain harvest predictions are that it will at least equal last years crop, but might easily set a new all-time record because this has been one of the wettest years on record for Australia and there are no areas in drought.

So there has been a significant increase in the amount of food Australia has and will export these last two years.

Life on earth as we know it today has two major ''enemies'' No. 1 is the planets own power to self destruct by causing a massive volcanic 'winter' as happened back in 1815 when Mount Tambora erupted, .......but on a much bigger scale. No. 2 is being hit by a massive meteor / asteroid. Now you have two more reasons to stay awake at night worrying.....

Why don't these losers nut up and go full Baader Meinhof and kidnap some oil executives or blow up a refinery, or is that just not an Instagramable moment so its beyond their consideration?

The planet deserves to burn if these are it's best defenders.

I think you've got the wrong idea.

That's my genuine opinion,it's not something I get worked up about and don't care about the topic enough to engage any further with you.

This craic makes no sense. Why don't the climate change folks go attack Damien Hirst? That lad is literally setting fire to stuff and claiming its "art". He is also doing this right now.

Bit pointless attacking Van Gogh paintings. What do they expect Van Gogh to do about it? Rise up from the grave and beg forgiveness for never flying on a private jet?