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    #1592
    Rusheseverywhere
    Registered Users Posts: 303 ✭✭Rusheseverywhere


    I give 5cc per ball at the top of scrotum each side. Think 2 cc enough but better safe than sorry. Wait 5 mins and then use burdizzo. Use a leg hoist or rope impossible to inject otherwise I found; also easier use burdizzo. Also the younger the better. I do in batches of 3 to 4.



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    #1593
    Rusheseverywhere
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    S.I. No. 127/2014 - Animal Health and Welfare (Operations and Procedures) (No. 2) Regulations 2014.

    Procedures for the control of reproduction

    1.6 Non-surgical castration of a bull (using a burdizzo) before the bull attains the age of 6 months, or, where a rubber ring to constrict the flow of blood to the scrotum is used, non-surgical castration of a bull before the bull attains the age of 8 days.

    Sorry for the bold, cut and paste job, but knew I had in my mind that the 6 months is the cut off. Ie if squezzing has to be done before 6 months old so they will be squezzed at months old rr younger . Thats the law for all cattle. Vet can cut them older. Why that inspector was counting the days with me but had all correct.



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    #1594
    893bet
    Registered Users Posts: 8,998 ✭✭✭893bet


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119789511#Comment_119789511

    inject just under the skin?

    Are you on your own that you use leg hoist?

    I use a snafflers on the nose.

    Tie both legs forward to the skull gate so if they do kick their range of motion will at least be reduced.

    And have a person hold the tail properly. With the tail held properly they rarely even move.



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    #1595
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,505 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    The new tail jack should be a big help. Put a good bit of thought into it myself but fair play to him;

    https://thatsfarming.com/farming-news/the-tailjack-farmers/

    If they want to patrol the 6 months, they better ban the sale of any entire male over the age.



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    #1596
    blue5000
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    Then we’ll be back to calves in bullrushes for 4/5 months like they were when Larry brought in u16 month bulls. If they are castrated they can’t be exported, well they could but no exporter will want them. So less competition around the ring for them. Suckler producer has enough hardship as it is, tags, calving difficulties, bvd test and minding the cow for the winter.

    There’s a lot of lads feeding their on line gambling addiction by bidding at home in front of the tv then collecting cattle that evening, maybe they would like to try a bit of work with cattle for a change.

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



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    #1597
    JohnChadwick
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    Is it possible when you have completed the 5 year term in organic, to go back to chemical farming for a year, before launching into another 5 year term in organic scheme. i.e. go chemical in order to change system.



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    #1598
    893bet
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119792207#Comment_119792207

    Yes.


    But I think you will go back into conversion again but won’t get the “in conversion rate” for the land as that’s tied to land parcel and is only paid once.


    Also if you got a tams grant during your organic status I think you are locked in for 5 years from the last payment.

    Was discussed today on organic course.



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    #1599
    Rusheseverywhere
    Registered Users Posts: 303 ✭✭Rusheseverywhere


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119789914#Comment_119789914

    No into muscle/tissue just where bag hangs down but not deep injection and short needle. yes and if not injecting tail works fine so long as not 400 kg plus lads that checked by a lad beeping a jeep horn at that them once a week.



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    #1600
    Rusheseverywhere
    Registered Users Posts: 303 ✭✭Rusheseverywhere


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119791976#Comment_119791976

    The whole of farming is f..d but organic definitely not pay for producing weanlings right. I squezze wean vaccinate etc and the lad selling full bulls organically at a bad weight that have been hidden in forestry before getting lost in the rushes and them bawling away in the mart but with the lad saying they were running in front of the mothers all summer and just excited to be out will do better than me. Also squezzing knocks them hard compared to leavig them intact.



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    #1601
    Water John
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    Any organic cattle I've seen or bought at the mart have been very quiet. Organic suckler herds tend to be small and used to human contact.



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    #1602
    Hard Knocks
    Registered Users Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119793067#Comment_119793067

    As much different human contact as possible is great to make cattle quiet



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    #1603
    Kevhog1988
    Registered Users Posts: 4,012 ✭✭✭Kevhog1988


    Is anyone in sheep and gone organic?



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    #1604
    Prop Joe
    Registered Users Posts: 1,368 ✭✭✭Prop Joe


    very Easy transition



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    #1605
    k mac
    Registered Users Posts: 647 ✭✭✭k mac


    Just caught the end of a radio discussion on farming and they seemed to be saying all spraying will be banned by 2024, there will be alot of rushes....could be another plus for organics



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    #1606
    Rusheseverywhere
    Registered Users Posts: 303 ✭✭Rusheseverywhere


    Another plus for rushes; guess why I chose my username.



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    #1607
    Siamsa Sessions
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,816 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    Brendan Behan said the first item on the agenda of any left-wing political meeting was the split.

    I get a sense this type of ban is the same. The first item on the agenda will be the derogation

    Trading as Sullivan’s Farm on YouTube



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    #1608
    wrangler
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    ''Changes proposed to the EU pesticide regulations could ban the use of all sprays in Ireland unless they are altered. Sprays to manage crops, rushes and clover could face a complete ban in Ireland by 2024 under the new EU sustainable pesticides directive.''


    Who ever suggested on here lately that we need a famine was spot on.

    Civil servants across the EU need a famine anyway and maybe a kick up the a..e as well



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    #1609
    wrangler
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119796715#Comment_119796715

    Most sheep farmers are nearly organic anyway.

    I'd imagine that nettles will be a nightmare to control with sheep if you've no access to sprays.

    Nettles and docks should reduce in time as fertility decreases



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    #1610
    wrangler
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119799517#Comment_119799517

    When you mow any plant/weed, the sugars increase and the plant becomes more palatable, ie if you mow a poorly grazed paddock, sheep will clean it off if it's wilted for 24hrs

    Land is very fertile here and any bunch of nettles that's mowed here seems to propogate with mowing



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    #1611
    blue5000
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,667 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    Did anyone watch the organic trust webinar for new applications last night?

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



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    #1612
    blue5000
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,667 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119804301#Comment_119804301

    I didn’t see it, on again on 17th of November.

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



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    #1613
    _Brian
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119817721#Comment_119817721

    Is it recorded for playback?



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    #1614
    blue5000
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,667 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119819043#Comment_119819043

    I had a look on YouTube but couldn’t find it, might be on organic trust website though.

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



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    #1615
    Stationmaster
    Registered Users Posts: 887 ✭✭✭Stationmaster


    Silly question time - if outwintering cattle, it says 1 LSU per HA - does this mean if outwintering 10 cows then they have to have access to 10 HA's?!



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    #1616
    Bass Reeves
    Registered Users Posts: 18,656 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119859705#Comment_119859705

    Technically yes but very few do that

    Slava Ukrainii



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    #1617
    tractorporn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,387 ✭✭✭tractorporn


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119859705#Comment_119859705

    That's the absolute max the stocking rate can be but anyone outwintering would be stocking at a fraction of that.



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    #1618
    Stationmaster
    Registered Users Posts: 887 ✭✭✭Stationmaster


    Yea, but that figure is the amount of land they have to have access to though - not the amount of your normal stocking rate so I'd have thought there would be a lot outwintering that wouldn't have access to anything close to that.



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    #1619
    893bet
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    For fattening cattle would straight barley work? For a fattening let’s say a 18month old heifer.


    How hard is it to get cattle eating that straight? Especially if they had not been on ration as calves etc


    If I am going to feed anything under organics I intend to try buy straight from another organic farmer.



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    #1620
    Siamsa Sessions
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,816 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119893353#Comment_119893353

    I’m mixing 50-50 rolled barley with a high maize beef nut and store cattle are eating it away here. They’re getting 2kg per day, split over 2 feeds. Nothing left in the trough and they’re not pushing the barley aside or anything.

    All you can do is try them with a small bit and see how they go?

    Trading as Sullivan’s Farm on YouTube



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    #1621
    mr.stonewall
    Registered Users Posts: 1,798 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119893353#Comment_119893353

    A touch of something sweet to start them on it, molasses.



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