Cork developments

Faith · 15-09-2022 4:13pm

Oh, was that the place that had the kind of back terrace along the river? What was that called again?

/edit: Indigo, I found it on Google.

getoutadodge · 16-09-2022 11:37am

"The foreign students with wealthy mommies and daddies that UCC want to attract to the detriment of students from poorer backgrounds they pretend to care about."

This is the model all the third level institutes are going with. Irish students can go to the back of the queue or go to sunny Glasgow. It explains the rush to build (too expensive for Irish) student accommodation blocks all over the place. In the summer they can be leased out for summer rentals to a totally different market maximising yield or off loaded in block to the refugee agency. Another bonus is a huge pool of intl students added to the labour pool to do the jobs "irish dont want to do...bla bla" suppressing labour costs. Properly trained ....and most importantly paid (with pensions contributions) .. barmen, retail staff etc are so 1970s.

A win win win

DylanQuestion · 16-09-2022 1:11pm

There is a casino/arcade thing going into one of the ground floor units on the Washington Street building. I'd prefer to see the whole thing knocked and rebuilt, it's not nice looking to me

Apogee · 25-09-2022 11:30am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119618975#Comment_119618975

Unfortunately, it looks like Marino Point is still stuck in planning after all

But a plan to relocate a fertiliser plant from the south docklands in Cork city centre – freeing up a tranche of development land – to a new facility at Marino Point shows just how challenging the delivery of big ambitious projects can be. The fertiliser plan is currently stalled in the planning process after objections from local residents.

“It looks like we won’t even know the outcome until next year. Meanwhile, they’re bagging fertiliser in the middle of Ireland’s second city,” says McGettigan.

https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/cork-port-looks-to-the-future-42011986.html

timmyjimmy · 30-09-2022 2:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119684443#Comment_119684443

Traffic has been ridiculous at Cobh Cross the last few weeks. Having this would make it a nightmare. Maybe another reason to open Carrigtwohill west train station.

namloc1980 · 30-09-2022 8:09pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119684443#Comment_119684443

Absolute nonsense. Anyway I'd be sceptical of this actually going ahead. In the current economic environment and with a lot of clouds on the horizon it's hard to see someone plouging €100m into a retail outlet centre in Carrigtwohill.

namloc1980 · 01-10-2022 12:29pm

If you want a depressing read, go to the NTA website and see the submissions made on Cork BusConnects. It's like a Facebook nimby comments section on steroids. Truly depressing.

ofcork · 01-10-2022 5:05pm

Still work going on at the prism site mobile crane there during the week.

TheChizler · 01-10-2022 9:22pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119688523#Comment_119688523

Didn't realize submissions were public, in the middle of mine at the moment. Not surprising to hear but disheartening all the same.

Apogee · 04-10-2022 9:07pm

Works starting on Camden Place

https://twitter.com/RandomCorkStuff/status/1577335741356597251

MindBent · 04-10-2022 9:49pm

Good to see.

Apogee · 06-10-2022 9:11pm

The Port of Cork Company (PoCC) plans to move completely out of Cork city centre in the next eight years, as part of a €250m Masterplan for the Port that will move shipping activities to the lower harbour. The PoCC has been holding public consultations on its ‘Port Masterplan 2050’ this week in a number of locations. A major focus of the plan is for the PoCC to completely vacate the city centre by 2030, and vacate Tivoli by 2040, migrating all activities down to the lower harbour areas of Marino Point, Cobh, and Ringaskiddy.

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/arid-40977788.html

whisky_galore · 08-10-2022 5:44am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119685236#Comment_119685236

But where will the Wine O Clock gurls buy new outfits?

Apogee · 09-10-2022 7:56pm

North Main St coming along

https://twitter.com/KarlDiskin/status/1577285217844240386

snotboogie · 25-10-2022 11:29pm

It looks like The Prism is set to shut up shop for construction very soon. According to skyscraper city the developers have funding issues due to the family’s legal trouble in the US and the Port of Cork Tower is canned as well.

Trying to add some positivity, I hope both sites can be sold on soon and will see development. The Prism has foundations laid so that should be attractive for developers. The POC site is iconic and the scale there has been established. The fickle winds of development in Ireland are certainly shifting towards public funding for apartment buildings, The Prism could be a contender for this. The POC site could become more mixed use with apartments and a hotel in the tower. Though the scale of it would put a limit on who could fund this.

Ultimately though this is a massive disappointment. Even in the best case scenario, the two developments have been put back 5 years and it’s not unrealistic to think we’ll still have big hole in the ground next to the bus station and rotting bonded warehouses as the maritime entry to the city in 30 years time.

timmyjimmy · 26-10-2022 9:42am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119685236#Comment_119685236

Any idea when the new appartment developments in Carrigtwohill will open? I'm most interest in the new path from the Carrigtwohill train station!

namloc1980 · 26-10-2022 3:18pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119794340#Comment_119794340

By the lake? They are working to finish them but they are for social housing and not for sale/rent as I understand. The road through Castlelake won't open until the schools are built and completed, sometime in the latter half of 2023/early 2024.

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/arid-40744722.html

kub · 26-10-2022 9:52pm

Clarendon gets the go ahead for Queens Old Castle redevelopment :

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40992794.html

airy fairy · 26-10-2022 11:37pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119797663#Comment_119797663

Office space...again.

So many offices.

Mav11 · 27-10-2022 9:28am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119798152#Comment_119798152

Interesting article by Michael McDowell in yesterday's IT, written about the failure of planning in Dublin, but IMO could equally relate to Cork. some quotes on inner City living:

Some people think that liveable means traffic-free, pedestrian- and bike-friendly. But liveability is far more than that. The most pleasant parts of our city were planned and built to be pleasant in the 18th and 19th centuries.

With few exceptions, urban planning in Dublin (as distinct from the chaotic system of building permits which now passes for planning under the auspices of Dublin City Council and An Bord Pleanála) died with the reconstruction of O’Connell Street and the building of housing at Marino in the 1920s. Abercrombie’s plans for regeneration of Dublin have never been matched with any architectural vision since then.

Instead, we are left with a sprawling mess of recent inner-city building little of which is designed to be pleasant and much of which is discordant, ugly or at best sterile and bland. The architectural fetish of function dictating form is, in general, lacking in aesthetic coherence with surroundings streetscapes and places.

I must say when I see the glass box clamped on top of the beautiful facade of the Queens Old Castle combined with the other glass boxes springing up around the city, I have to agree with him!

the beer revolu · 27-10-2022 10:20am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119798871#Comment_119798871

To be honest, that just sounds like an old, irrelevant man grumbling about something that is not his field. It's just an irrelevant opinion on planning.

Personally, I like the pic for the Queen's Old Castle. I like that the extention is stepped back from the frontage and I like the scale of it for the location.

I don't find the facade og QOC particularly beautiful. It looks kinda fake to me (I don't know the history of the facade) and overly fussy.

I do agree that planning, generally, is pisspoor in Ireland but it's not because of the allowance of modern styles, it the allowance of bland, boring buildings, be they modern or revisionist, amongst other things.

Mav11 · 27-10-2022 10:53am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119799095#Comment_119799095

At least we're consistent in our views beer😁.

McDowell, while I wouldn't be his biggest fan, sometimes hits the nail on the head particularly in relation to planning and design. I think that the problem which he identifies above, is not that any one style is bad and another is good, it is the predominance of a generic nature of the "fetish of function dictating form" architecture that allows for little variety, or at best variety within a particular form that is taking away from the attractiveness of our cities to live in or to visit!

whisky_galore · 27-10-2022 11:07am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119798152#Comment_119798152

Just what we need in the current office shortage crisis...

EnzoScifo · 28-10-2022 12:56am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119798871#Comment_119798871

The reasons that so many new developments are function over form is due to neoliberalism and its obsession with "efficiency" (cost over value). Of course McDowell championed that with the PDs back in the day.

Mav11 · 28-10-2022 9:17am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119802690#Comment_119802690

True, but efficiency and good varied forms of design are not mutually exclusive!

the beer revolu · 28-10-2022 9:51am

Calling a basic and accepted school of thought in architecture that's about 100 years old a, "fetish of function dictating form", is just ridiculous, too.

Mav11 · 28-10-2022 10:21am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119803267#Comment_119803267

I do remember as a child, being brought by the hand by my grandfather who was a mason, down the South Mall and other parts of the city and been told to look up at some of the marvelous plaster and stone work on the old buildings. I also remember talking to Seamus Murphy about stone work on buildings and the demise of same with the advent of concrete.

I really can't see the homogenous style of building that is being put up now being admired in the same manner in 100 years time, if they are still standing. I suppose that regardless of any school of architecture which, I am not hung up on, it is good and varied design, with the emphasis on varied, that matters!

the beer revolu · 28-10-2022 12:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119803421#Comment_119803421

Oh, I'm not against ornamentation or aesthetics, at all.

I'm just not a big fan of architecture apeing old and ancient styles. I am, however, a big fan of retaining old buildings where possible.

When it comes to planning and architecture, while it seems we have very different tastes, I think there's a lot we can agree on.

Mav11 · 28-10-2022 1:10pm

Faux colonial is always good😁😁

Mav11 · 03-11-2022 1:26pm

Good to see a 5 min frequency planned between Glounthaune and the city! I hope its electrified.

https://www.thejournal.ie/irish-rail-an-bord-pleanala-application-cork-rail-network-upgrade-5909582-Nov2022/

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