Criminal Justice (Incitement to Violence or Hatred and Hate Offences) Bill 2022 - Read OP

Yeah the totally not drunk woman started a row with someone queuing to use a bathroom who was minding their own business.

Then according to staff in the bar the totally not drunk woman threathend violence.

Id hope she was drunk at least that would go some way to explain her behavior and why she couldn't just mind her own business and get on with her life and had to start abusing and threathing innocent people.

Far too strict to be abused? That doesn’t make any sense. It only makes sense if you imagine there are new laws being created, which there aren’t. What you’re arguing is similar to what people opposed to marriage equality tried to argue in suggesting that the legislation was an attempt to redefine marriage. It wasn’t, and neither is this. The concept of ‘hate speech’ always existed in Irish law under various pieces of legislation. All the new legislation is doing, is clarifying and codifying existing legislation under new legislation. Same old ding-dong, as it were.

Nothings happened in the UK only a couple of old farts getting their collars felt by the police. If that’s the extent of your concerns I’d suggest you had nothing to be concerned about. If you’re shot by the police for expressing your opinions, then you might have legitimate reason to suggest people should be concerned, but both here and in the UK we’re a long ways off that point yet, thankfully.

Not everyone is on board or agrees with the idea that it should be socially acceptable for a man to be in a women,s bathroom or women,s changing area.

As this young woman took to social media to highlight men walked in on her in the changing area.

Such was seen as socially unacceptable when I was growing up, and I still see it as socially unacceptable regardless of whatever hate speech laws are put in place.

There is No absolute right to free speech - censorship would have not stopped Hitler, censorship Is what Hitler used to get power.

You clearly havent even read the Irish Times article you posted a link to.

there are 4 genders - masculine feminine common and neuter

This thread is going as expected.

We didn't have "hate speech" legisation in Ireland before now, but we did have the Prohibition of Incitement to Hatred Act 1989, as quoted in the above article.

That is basically being updated to include the new term "hate speech" and what that entails. It's tightening up what was already there. It will only remain to be seen as it's more or less in at this stage (correct me if I'm wrong and can still be opposed). It shouldn't be used for an individual or group to go after an individual, the main part is still the intent to incite hatred, and a singular opinion framed as such is not that. The person who is the alleged perpetrator will have to be proven to want or be reckless to inciting hatred. I think the people, and I hate using the term, with a following (be they public figures, social media gobshytes influencers, anyone with an audience) are the ones who are most susceptible to it. People with a platform be wary, knee-jerk reactions will have to end.

It will 100% be all about the circumstances, but I can also see it being misused, or used incorrectly. The worry of stifling proper debate is there, but it purports to have space for that, but will remain to be seen. It's good for the country overall, but the whole situation is still very volatile and split. It does still appear to have a hard with us/against us view, whereas the majority are somewhere in the middle, be it more to one side or the other. Like any new legislation, there will be a teething period and amendments exist and do happen.

How does the BBC as a credible source sound for you ?

Some people might of heard of the Harry Miller case in the UK.

Some background

Now to quote the BBC story

" An ex-police officer has won a legal challenge against a national policy for forces to record gender-critical views as non-crime "hate incidents".

Humberside Police visited Harry Miller in January 2020 after a complaint over alleged transphobic tweets he made.

It was recorded on a national database as a non-crime hate incident.

But the Court of Appeal ruled on Monday the guidance was wrongly used and it had a "chilling effect" on Mr Miller's freedom of speech. "

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-59727118

Funny this happened to happen to a single issue anonymous anti-trans troll account holder with nothing to back it up. Not saying it didn't happen but it didn't happen.

Do they even have gender neutral toilets in secondary schools in *checks the profile bio* Terf Island?

This isnt something that happened overnight.

The man who called for traveller children to be murdered should have been prosecuted but couldnt be because the 1989 act wasnt strong enough.

I agree with immigration - from an economic point of view we need a steady supply of cheap labour and some skilled labour. But I also believe that those who disagree with mass immigration should be able to state so freely without fear of the very government that Is promoting that mass migration using the laws to stifle any criticism