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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,217 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    Ok but that could describe any authoritarian system. Nothing to do with being socialist.

    I'd also push back on your assertion that the oligarchs have more freedom in Russian. Mikhail Khodorkovsky was the richest man in Russia and ended up being jailed and exiled for attempting to stick his nose in to politics. They're all fully aware that they can lose it all at any time.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,586 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    Not getting into a geological history discussion on this thread but large scale Asteroid impacts, like the chixulub impact , make nuclear weapons look like hand held firecrackers and the earth has recovered from them many times.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,217 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Hmm... so on the one hand you advise a report that says European security capability is reduced to rubble. On the other, we have good reason to believe that western military allies could wipe out conventional Russian military within short order.

    Who do we believe?



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,922 ✭✭✭GM228


    You are correct, if there is to be a WW3, the cause is more likely to be NATO defending Russia or Taiwan from China

    There's definitely zero chance of that, unless you meant NATO defending from Russia, or defending Taiwan from China?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11




  • Registered Users Posts: 10,458 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    China "succeeds" on the back of ruthless exploitation of its workforce, and environment. Its industries are massively funding by the government, allowing them to undercut western industrial production unfairly, all the while they steal any intellectual properties they can. They are a kleptocracy, just like Russia, only more effective. The sooner the West wakes up to this reality and divests themselves of the parasitical relationship, the better. The recent order to cripple their tech sector is a long overdue measure.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,053 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    The BBC and other information dinosaurs won't give you stuff like Julia Davis' timely translations of Russian state media:


    I get so much gritty and timely info from the Ukriane militaries Telegram channel it just makes the BBC and the mainstream media you so love seem like they are still in the victorian era. What they don't report vastly exceeds what they do. Not to mention the BBC's biases are gobsmacking.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,166 ✭✭✭threeball


    Earth would recover pretty quickly. Flora and Fauna would thrive after a few years of our absence. We on the other hand are soft and ill equipped to handle the rigors of foraging and hunting even if we did survive. There would be large swathes of this planet untouched even in the event of a huge nuclear event. These areas and the oceans would thrive minus 6 or 7 billion of us.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,251 ✭✭✭paul71


    No, I said NATO defending Russia, and I meant it. I brought the point up earlier in the Thread. We have listened to 2 decades of Russia Bull s* about NATO this that and the other. The reality is NATO never has been a threat to Russia, NATO members only interest has been to trade with Russia and to defend former Warsaw pact/Soviet countries from possible Russian aggression. They never had any interest in aggressive action against Russia.


    Putins great miscalculation is identifying the wrong enemy. China is an Authoritarian regime and will seek to take advantage of Russian weakness for its own gain. That could be 20 years from now or 50, and Russia, a 3rd world economy with declining population will not have the power required to offer resistance.

    As I said earlier in the thread, Russia will be beaten in Ukraine. That may take 1 year, it may take 5. Then Russia must find its place in the world. It is not and has not been a superpower since the mid 1980s, the only superpower is the US but China is on the way to becoming a superpower and it will covet the vast and weakly defended resources of Russia. Russia must then either submit to China, or seek protection from The West or NATO.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭zv2


    That's a good %. If only they could get the pilots. I wonder how many trained pilots Russia has left?

    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭zv2


    Here's the code to get around that one-

    If: target = x

    Set target: x + 3 meters right.

    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,217 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    I think someone posted this earlier in this thread but Adam Curtis released a 7-part series on the period of 1985-1999 in the Soviet Union and the resulting Republics. It's all up on Youtube. I'm just on the fourth episode now which covers the period 1992-1994.



    During this period, the new Russian President, Boris Yeltsin (who in episode 3 we see run rings around Gorbachev to end the Soviet Union) attempts to transition from communism to capitalism rapidly. He entrusts a particular economist with this task, who in turn was advised by American neo-libs and they administer "Shock Therapy" to the economy. This consisted of removing all price controls overnight and issuing vouchers to all soviet citizens for their share in state-owned enterprises.

    The result of these measures was hyperinflation, the collapse of the ruble, huge shortages of everything and oligarchs hoovering up the vouchers and buying up the enterprises for pennies on the dollar. People were literally selling their belongings on the streets and western countries were flying food aid into Russia to try and prevent starvation.

    I'm sure none of this is new information to anyone who's reading this thread but it's still shocking to see the scenes from this period captured on film.

    Of course this devastation paved the way for Putin to come in and "restore Russia's dignity and power". He can say that "the West wants us weak and on our knees" and people will believe it because of the cack-handed way that a once in a lifetime opportunity was wasted in those years.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Cope cage is the steel cage they built on top of tanks or other vehicles to help protect themselves from Rockets or missles .

    In this case they are Hoping a bucket carrying burning material will confuse a heat seeking missle and stop it hitting the tank



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,172 ✭✭✭vixdname


    No one asking you to engage in a geological history discussion, just telling you, as other posters have also, that your comment was unnecessarily pedantic in nature and reeked of juvenile smart-arsery



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,217 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    Any recommendations for English language Telegram channels to follow? (Preferably ones without gore and executions or anything like that)



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,053 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    One reason Ukraine have been able to get all those women and Azov heroes back in prisoner exchanges is because they have had Orc pilots to swap. So bitter/sweet.

    War is a dirty business.




  • Registered Users Posts: 6,485 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    I’d say that western smart ammunition would be able to tell the difference in the heat signature of a bucket of burning oil and the tank barrel.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭thomil


    That's what I'm thinking. What's more, I doubt whether that bucket would even be big enough of a target to even register on any heat seeker. It doesn't look like whatever is burning in there is hot enough to overcome this.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users Posts: 478 ✭✭Run Forest Run


    You do realise that only roughly about 20% of Russia's military has been involved in this conflict, right? And apparently, if reports are accurate, it's mostly militia and mercenaries doing the fighting right now - such as the wagner group and the Chechens etc. Much of the regular Russian army has returned across the border. (it's not entirely certain why, but they seem to be planning for future operations)

    The Russians have been substantially outnumbered pretty much since day one of this thing. A fraction of the Russian armed forces, is fighting a country of 40+ million people - who are heavily backed by the deep pockets of the west. This financial and military support is not insignificant. We've really never seen anything on this sort of scale before, in terms of military aid to a country in such a relatively short time-frame. And Ukraine's armed forces had been seriously beefed up already since the annexation of Crimea, so they were never going to be a push over anyway.

    And then when you also factor in, that Russia cannot just go in and level cities to rubble with their air force like you might have done in ww2 against a true enemy like Germany etc... so most of Russia's key military advantages haven't been used, because this is a limited military operation. Not a war to completely destroy Ukraine. But they have always had the capability to do this. Just look at how they took out up to 40% of Ukraine's power grid and other key infrastructure, and also possibly as much as 80% of their air defences in roughly a 48 hour period. If they truly went in heavy, with zero care for human life or crucial infrastructure in these cities, there would be nothing left and the war would be over very rapidly. Most neutral military analysts recognise this. (but that's no good for propaganda)

    But Russians are hearing some of the ridicule about their military capabilities, and there are increasing calls for them to stop being so careful as they are not just fighting Ukraine anymore. They are fighting the NATO alliance of 30 combined nations. So I would say western propaganda might very well have unintended consequences, in respect to how this conflict could play out. They may feel they have no option at some point, other than to meet fire with fire and start using more ruthless conventional military tactics. Or even a nuclear weapon, to end the war quickly and save lives - just like the rationale the US used against Japan. (lets hope not)

    And the USA is not getting any real positives out of this. Outside of the western propaganda bubble, the US is yet again being painted in a very bad light regarding their interference and desire to dominate global geopolitics. They are viewed basically as an aggressive imperialistically bully, that has zero respect or regard for regional powers or their individual security concerns. And as a result, you can now see an even more rapid push to decouple from the US petro-dollar, because this is the main tool used to wield economic warfare through punitive sanctions. There is huge anger around the world with these sanctions, because they are harming nations that have nothing to do with this conflict. Even the Saudis seem like they've finally had enough of the yanks, and are playing their part in weakening them.

    And don't be fooled about the economic cost of this to the USA or the collective west. I have many American friends, and people are suffering quite badly over in the US with inflation and cost of living - it's getting very worrying for millions of ordinary Americans. You've got quite a lot of dual income households, who are on government assistance and still can't make ends meet. I know several Americans, who are fully employed, and they're rationing food and being very careful with how much they drive their cars etc. There are massive issues around income inequality - and only getting worse over time. They're something like 31 trillion in debt, and you can't keep that up for long - it's completely unsustainable in the long term. Particularly if there is a hit to the petro-dollar, and people stop buying their debt - which is a very real possibility over the next few years. Over reliance on fractional reserve banking and quantitative easing - which is effectively just the US fed running their very own legal money printing counter fitting operation - won't keep the wolf from the door forever. Nor will draining the strategic oil reserves. The magic money tree won't be an option for very much longer. It's the road to financial ruin, and the Biden administration is going all in with this strategy. You're going to see in the mid-terms, just how unhappy the US taxpayer is with the state of things - as they're the ones picking up the tab from these loony govt policies.

    Oh, and apparently they're now starting to run out of diesel fuel - less than a month left. Guess which country isn't running out of energy or food or at risk of freezing this winter? Yep, you guessed correct: RUSSIA!

    Sorry, I know Tucker is persona non grata around these parts. But he is America's favourite news source, informing millions of US citizens each and everyday.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,485 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Yes Russian stronk 2 million man army. Hahaha. You believe some crap from the Kremlin. Putin has disproven the army size claim by mobilising every drunk they could find on the streets.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,169 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    Is it likely Ukraine will make another big push before Winter?


    Western media says the Russians are spent, not combat effective, poorly led, no equipment, low morale and the ranks are held together by unwilling reservists.

    Why haven't we seen more massive gains by Ukraine in the past weeks?



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,942 ✭✭✭✭josip


    And then when you also factor in, that Russia cannot just go in and level cities to rubble with their air force

    Because they are afraid of being taken down by a stinger so instead they flatten it from afar with their artillery.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users Posts: 13,942 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Because Western media also highlights that attacking defensive positions in the mud season will incur higher casualties.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    They are slowly enough moving to Kherson,I'd expect there will be no winter break for fighting as has been suggested in here,the Ukrainans are moving along a huge front over a thousand kms at least it's going to take time to secure everything they need to cut off Kherson and Lugansk



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Combat mosquitos gentlemen , combat mosquitos the future of Ukrainan bio warfare.....

    Jesus wept how is the UN entertaining this shite




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭zv2


    Even hitting the fire bucket would destroy the tank - probably kill its occupants.

    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users Posts: 30,106 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Nonsense, Russian lies and propaganda from start to finish.

    Where's the rest of the Russian army? Completing their ISO certifications? Engaged in an important inter-service chess game? Is that why they aren't allowed across the border?

    The 20% Russia sent across the border is the spearhead fighting force of their army. It is their army - the tip of the spear. The rest of their forces is primarily the base of the spear, or exists only on paper.

    The reason why they returned across the border is they got mauled in Ukraine.

    And no, Russia isn't fighting an alliance of 30 combined nations. If it was, in a conventional war, they'd already be defeated. Never mind 30, the liberated Warsaw Pact nations and the US together would have enough.

    To compare potential Russian use of a nuclear weapon with Japan is a morally and intellectually bankrupt mis-reading of history. Japan had attacked the US. Ukraine had taken zero hostile action towards Russia, other then defend its own sovereign territory. Sovereign territory acknowledged as Ukrainian by Russia in the Budapest agreement.

    If Russia wants to save lives, it can just go home.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,586 ✭✭✭20silkcut




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