Teachers leaving Dublin schools due to accommodation costs

Many employers provide accommodation???

Hotels, pubs, IT companies, building firms and some other companies have all started to provide accommodation for workers to a t least some extent. It was previously common in the public sector with gardai and military provided with accommodation.

I never said it was up to them. My argument is that things are beyond repair at this point. Although your suggestion about temporary accommodation would offer a very limited and short term solution it would only appeal to new graduates who would bail at the earliest opportunity. More experienced professionals wouldn’t put up with it

The housing crisis isn’t going to be solved in the short to medium term if ever. There’s zero political will to do anything meaningful as there’s too many vested interests making too much money.

Teachers (as well as many other professions) are just collateral damage. It’s very depressing to watch it play out.

Anyone had any experience of unqualified 'relatives' being brought in to fill the gap ?

Ruari Quinn (shudders). JC is gone so bad now they couldn’t be arsed marking it on time. And the kids know it.

Just because you haven't heard of something doesn't mean it doesn't happen. There are Amilitary personnel, married and single living in officially provided accommodation in Dublin. There are still nurses homes in some hospitals. Builders when carrying out jobs arrange accommodation for workers in order to get the job dione. It is not a revolutionary idea. In the past members of the garda lived in official accommodation. There was a time when bank managers lived above their branch and I recall in the 70's houses being built for bank officials.

Schools expect a teacher to take a job and then go off with a smartphone to source their own accommodation in Dublin. In the current rental market in Dublin, it is too much to expect. Landlords and potential roommates don't like teachers because they may well leave in the Summer. The prices asked are too high in many cases as well. Not having accommodation in Dublin as a base to look around is also a handicap as available places are snapped up quickly.

Career breaks could be curtailed, it might get some teachers back but on the otherside it might push more to resign and never come back. It's all about accomodation. We are luckly enough to be a pretty good staff so we've kept people so far and have managed to recruit but there are schools in Dublin with 30% staff turnover every year, it's simply not sustainable and creates massive gap in knowledge in schools......before you even start with any of the extra curriculum.

You'd wonder do the department ever have a look at schoola critically. Two schools side by side. One with 90% retention of staff say and one with 60%, should management not be under scrutiny. Good teachers leave beacsuse they think all schools are disfunctional, tackling this would help too. I know plenty who've gone on career break too to escape the nonsense and politics, again often good teachers. It would be questioned in most industries.

Of course it is not going to happen if people just stand there hand-wringing leaving it to someone else to do something. The educational sector should be promoting initiative, not killing it.

I don't think they would settle for less and the current situation is exposing this. It would be interesting to compare late 80's wages to rents, etc. The unwritten rule is that society should improve over time... i.e. my children should have it better than I had. Unfortunately this is dead in the water. My guess is that it's the case that people are just hoping it doesn't get any worse.

I think you may see a proliferation in the short/medium term of private tuition, grind schools, home-schooling used to try and address the short comings in public sector education?

Although it would never happen from an official survey it would be interesting to see just how badly how schools are being hit. We get a lot of hand wringing articles and such but the department isn't issuing any statistics as to how bad the situation is? (anecdotally we're being told it's pretty bad).

And yet they are happy to pay "unqualified" rates to those workers........(those workers can manage)

To be honest I doubt there would be any backlash against teachers if pupils were sent home, especially not AEN teachers. It'd be like when you give out to your class because the rest of the students haven't shown up yet!

No , to be honest it was a hot enough topic during COVID . If you recall the Department tried to shift the blame on teachers/schools, but parents of kids with additional needs caught the dept. out l. Parents in the media said what the department was doing was actually trying to make the parents fight the schools instead of the Department take responsibility.

If anything schools have a very good ally with these parents, they always have to fight the department for basic assistance so can spot bull5hit a mile away.

I'll turn it on its head and say schools are duty bound to protect the most vulnerable first. This issue with primary teacher supply would be solved pretty quick if the INTO, IPPN or napd issued a directive or the like.

The redeployment of AEN teachers has been going on long since before COVID and needs to stop.

I can't see many teachers agreeing to that and in practical subjects it wouldn't really work, prep time is needed. I don't think any teachers in my school would go for it, most won't even be doing the paid extra s and s, it's not worth the money when you balance it against the planning time ect.

Maybe it would be more viable down the country. There definitely needs to be outside the box thinking.

It's definitely shows up the schools with poor moral, when people have their pick of schools they vote with their feet. Might mean some P/DPs think a little harder about their treatment if staff, places with 30% turnover will start to look very unattractive!

But your right in thinking outside the box, the next couple of years are going to be tough

Lack of childcare and the government putting what little funding into creche's is another factor in the shortage of teachers.

Most Teachers are female and having 2/3 young children its prohibitive to go to work. Most teachers I know who live near me in Dublin if they do go to work don't use creches as they don't offer term-time and teachers typically only need a shorter day childcare.

Its similar to healthcare where a huge proportion of workers (especially nurses, physio, Ot's) are female. Without any reasonable subsidy for childcare its not worth their while going to work