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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,085 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Western support for Ukraine is, if anything, increasing. Ukraine's hand is also strengthening.

    Putin, not two days ago, was prattling on about how Ukraine only exists due to the benevolence of Russia and how it is not really a proper sovereign country. You can't negotiate with that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,423 ✭✭✭nigeldaniel


    Russia seems very keen to link the  Sevastopol drone attack to Grain convoys. Might be worth keeping an eye on comments from Russia over the next few days as they do seem to be looking for a way out of that deal.


    In other news, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has expressed doubt over Russia's declaration that its partial mobilisation was over. Unofficial mobilisation seems to be ongoing. In the closet, one could say!

    Dan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,508 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I don't agree. Peace is always preferable to ongoing death, destruction, war crimes and misery. As a nation, we have learned that. Because Ukraine have the upper hand, the opening gambit on a peace negotiation is "Get the **** out of our land immediately or we will drive you out and in doing so will topple your asshole dictator". I am not saying the negotiations will be successful but you have to try.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,093 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    You sound like Mick or Clare, neither of whom is particularly well regarded in this thread. You're on a hiding to nothing.

    There is nothing to negotiate and the G7 just committed to an agreement to keep supporting Ukraine to the hilt. That's not waning support. Australia just announced the supply of another 30 Bushmasters and to send 70 ADF personnel to the UK to help train Ukrainian warriors. Even as of over a month ago, the number of warriors trained in the UK was 10,000.

    A winning side isn't usually the one that has to capitulate and take terms dictated to them by the inferior opponent. The situation is that it's Russia that needs to sue for peace and cop the conditions offered. The Horde started this and can end it in 60 seconds if they want and lose nothing that legitimately belongs to them. The same can not be said of Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,093 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    There is no NATO culpability. Ukraine didn't start or invite this so how about you direct your qualms about WW3 to the ones who started this mess and are the only ones threatening to use nuclear weapons. Your lack of comprehension of the most trivial basics is telling.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Yeah, negotiating with the lads raping and murdering you, and let them keep part of the garden.

    F*ck that.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,574 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Nope, not true, globally via ICRC Geneva they actually re-unite families. The Irish Red Cross has good form and history in this regard. I remember reading about a family they reunited recently, even after several years. You will only hear about it the odd time, mainly because of its confidential nature, but its ongoing in the background all the time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,093 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    If you are actually Irish, you would have a completely different opinion as to what sacrifices Ireland should make in order to have 'peace' if the UK had invaded and done even a tenth to Ireland of what the Horde have done to Ukraine. How many counties being added to the north would you be willing to sacrifice? Peace at any cost is morally cute when it's not your arse being carved up as spoils.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,574 ✭✭✭jmreire


    The International Committe of the Red Cross (ICRC) has its world HQ in Genva. All other Red Cross Delegations worldwide, inc Irish and Russian etc, are subjected to the GVA HQ. There is only one Red Cross.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    In the end everyone has to make peace with the enemy. This is almost always someone they hate and who has committed vile acts against them. If the enemy were noble you probably wouldn’t be at war with them in the first place. I can’t understand why everyone is so insistent on fighting “until the last Ukrainian”. I’m not sure how much we can believe about the preparedness of the next wave of Russian troops, but whatever way you cut it up 200’000+ is a big number. Throw with that Putin’s relatively successful recent attacks on Ukraine’s energy supply. Now is the time to negotiate. Where are the cool heads ?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    Potentially massive IF true.

    Russia has warned the west against directly attacking it's interests and here they are claiming just that. How will the botox dwarf respond?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,093 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    There has been at least a weeks worth of news about Russia trying to scupper the grain deal.

    As you can see this is over a week old and of course the events triggering it, even older.

    It just highlights how farcical the calls for peace negotiations are. The Horde are liars, innately dishonest and devious, and never stick to negotiated agreements. They remind me of very nasty and unpleasant children.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Do you actually read this before posting ,

    Cool heads is Russia withdrawing all forces to previous 2014 borders and Ukraine is rebuilt using Russian Money, ukraine joins the eu and Nato.

    All sorted


    Why have a Russian flag ?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Come on. There’s no need to be deliberately stupid about what Putin says. Everyone knows that’s a negotiating position. You might as well say there is no point in negotiating with Zelensky because he has stated the war won’t end until they’ve taken back Crimea. It’s just dick waving.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,508 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Completely missed the point - whether you like it or not, we had peace negotiations in London during the war of independence and for the Good Friday agreement. Who said peace at any cost?

    I find this thread fascinating. I'm not Irish now?

    Out of curiousity, hypothetical...let's say this war is still raging over and back in 2 years time - you would still say no peace negotiations?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Walks like a duck, talks like a duck.


    Definitely a duck 🦆



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,574 ✭✭✭jmreire


    In what way is it questionable Podge? One reason prisoner exchanges and safe passage is guaranteed is because of the presence of the Red Cross. They are trusted neutral intermediaries. Much more than the UN or others. And of course, they take details of everyone who passes through their hands, and rightly so. Often, it's a guarantee of their very existence, because it has been recorded, and cannot be easily denied, or the prisoner easily "Vanished" which happens far too often.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,508 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Oh Gatling, you really need to address your anger. You are ruining this thread with your macho intolerance.

    This is Boards in Ireland, not the front line. Attack the post.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    They are not being held captive in Ukraine, they already have an option of leaving.

    Perhaps they don't want to appear rude by leaving unannounced, they're a very conscientious bunch.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    People need to get real with these childish analogies. As if all people need to do in life is ring their local authorities and all their difficulties will end.

    In answer to your question it depends on what part of the world or what neighbourhood you live in. In some parts of the world people gave to pay protection money - and it’s not because they love doing it or don’t know the Garda phone number. I don’t know if you’ve ever lived in a rough part of town. You learn fast to keep your head down and that some lines can’t be crossed. Either that or you get out. Ukraine can’t change the fact that they live beside Russia. They need to deal with that reality —> negotiate.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,508 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Ideally they leave asap with less loss of life.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,093 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    The operation to liberate Kherson will last until the end of November, said Kyrylo Budanov, head of the GUR


    This is discussed in an interview with the Western edition of The Drive by the head of the Main Directorate of Intelligence of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, Kyryl Budanov.


    - Most likely, the operation to capture Kherson will last until the end of next month. Currently, the most prepared and combat-ready Russian units are in Kherson. A large part of them are the airborne troops of the Russian Federation, the Russian special forces and the marines, that is, the most combat-capable units that Russia has. These units make up the backbone of the group, which is also strengthened by the mobilized composition, said the head of the GUR.

    The answer to any questions about why Kherson is taking more time than retaking infested farm land and forests. Given the Horde's best are involved after this, it should be downhill to the border.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,093 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I didn't miss the point. You want Ukraine to give Putin what he wants; I don't. We don't agree, move on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    What anger.......


    Looking for alternative views to agree with your opinion?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,093 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    No, they just need to acquire nuclear weapons, and then they will have peace and security. Taiwan and Australia need to acquire them as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Funny how many people tell us they disagree with the war but Ukraine should surrender and negotiate occupation with Russia....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,574 ✭✭✭jmreire


    What I or anyone else says here on boards is immaterial. It's what Ukraine says. Now are they presently saying anything about peace talks? No??? Then they are not interested in having peace talks with Putin. Is Putin interested in having peace talks with Ukraine, and is asking for peace talks? Then its up to Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    True, but nothing seems to have yet convinced them of that fact.

    The real goal here is to prevent them from ever doing something like this again.

    Putin is actually a moron, he has validated the need for funding of weapons manufacture, funding of weapons R&D, funding of weapons deployment, etc.

    No US, UK, NATO or EU hawk can now be called paranoid.

    He has hardwired distrust of Russia into the psyche of many neighbouring states.

    He has expanded NATO.

    He may well have destroyed Russia.

    Putin is stupid beyond belief, when it mattered, REAL strategists entered the fray.

    He has been royally played and I think he now knows it - that's why he appears to be crumbling (withdrawing the nuclear threat, spouting nonsense, etc.).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,574 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Yes, they will deal with it, and in such a way that neither Russia nor any other belligerent will ever think about attacking them again. And rightly so. Slave Ukraine.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,093 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Ukrainian Intelligence brief:

    Russia exported from the so-called Kherson remains of the "occupant" Potemkin buried there - British intelligence

    The latest actions of the Russian occupying forces in the Kherson region may indicate their preparation for a quick escape.

    Thus, the intelligence service recalls that Volodymyr Saldo, the Gauleiter of the Kherson Region appointed by Russia at first, stated that Russia illegally stole and removed from Kherson the remains of the famous Russian statesman Prince Grigory Potemkin, who occupied Ukrainian territories in the 18th century.

    Lol. They sure are confident about holding onto Kherson and the rest of their stolen bits of Ukraine.



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