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Interest on savings

  • 30-10-2022 2:28pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭


    With ECB raising rates and more to come what would have to happen for banks to start paying customers interest on their savings?


    Are the banks themselves not earning money in the form of interest on their customers savings?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,719 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    They were paying negative rates for quite some time without passing it on to depositors, so it'll be a while before the positive rates will be passed on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    Are they not legally obliged to or can they pick and choose?

    A pointless question I suppose considering your statement about the negative rates not being passed on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45 ShaneODub


    Heard on a podcast that the banks are awash with deposits so they don't need to attract more deposits by offering interest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 259 ✭✭pummice


    What if you went up the north and opened a sterling deposit account - would you get some interest off that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,719 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,694 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    There are definitely deals starting to appear in the UK for savings. I've seen ones listed on HUKD for rates between 4.5%--5.12%.

    Not sure if any of the NI branches are offering similar yet, but if they were same lender, such as Halifax, don't see why not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,719 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    They're usually for deposits less than £1000.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,694 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    I did see one last week or so for a lump sum account. Will see if I can dig it out.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,611 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    There is a basic misunderstanding here. The purpose of a central bank in this respect is to regulate and ensure the smooth operation of the market not to act as somewhere the banks can dump all the cash they can find and earn interest on it. Yes, they can borrow and deposit money with the ECB, but the business model requires them to actually function as a bank.

    Apart from ECB linked mortgages the ECB rate does not make a heap of a difference to the financial products the banks sell including savings accounts. So in order for the banks to offer you a higher rate of interest, they need to be able to find safe opportunities to invest those deposits, in other words demand for business borrowing needs to rise and that is not happening at present.

    It is also worth remembering that the rate of return is always associated with the amount of risk you take on. In banking circles Ireland and Germany are seen as two of the safest European economies you can invest in so the interest rates are low, where as the UK is borderline investment grade and you’d expect to receive a higher rate of return.

    I would not expect to see Irish deposit rates rise significantly until we start to come out of the recession and business starts to pick up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭walterking


    Legally obliged?

    Absolutely not unless you have a saver tracker (don't think one was ever offered here)

    Banks are commercial businesses - they will balance between loan rates and deposit rates

    The low deposit rates are keeping mortgage rates low (for the moment) especially short term fixed rates which are amongst the lowest in Europe (funny how the media won't say anything about that cos it's positive)



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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,611 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    You’d also take on significant risk in doing so. I keep failing to hammer this principle into peoples heads - nobody is going to give you a higher rate of return than they need to because they think you are a nice guy, they do it because you are taking on significant risk beyond the norm. It does not matter what the product is nor who it is dressed up a higher rate of return always represents a higher risk.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    Thanks for the info and education. The banking system is something I have no real knowledge of.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 17,860 Mod ✭✭✭✭Henry Ford III


    AIB UK wouldn't open a STG£ deposit account with an Irish address when asked recently.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,611 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    They would not have a license to do so for a start..... The requirements to comply with EU rules would put them at a disadvantage in the UK market.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 17,860 Mod ✭✭✭✭Henry Ford III


    They mentioned Brexit as a reason at the time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,876 ✭✭✭The J Stands for Jay


    They might offer new accounts with interest (unlikely), bit they sure as hell won't add interest onto accounts that are already full of money where customers seem happy to receive nothing. It could be that the bank would be happier without those deposits.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭3DataModem


    Bank of Ireland was paying negative interest rates (yes, charging you for holding money) on very large balances (1m+) recently. They had to change their T&C to allow it. Governments have generally not been interested in promoting cash saving as it is not a good use of capital from an economic perspective. They'd rather you invest it. Or better yet, spend it. That may change now that inflation is spiking, but I don't forsee an SSA type situation happening again.



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