Ukraine (Mod Note & Threadbanned Users in OP)

Polls around 2014 showed that people in Donetsk and Luhansk didn't want to join Russia. A portion simply wanted more federal independence from Kyiv. They never had any referendum or poll because Moscow started arming a fringe of separatists and then manufactured a full on conflict in the region. Keep in mind that the Kremlin has been heavily interfering with Ukraine for many years, on every level, Putin is obsessed with taking the territory and absorbing it into Russia, it's no secret to anyone. The Ukrainian leader that caused all the issues leading up to 2014 was Moscow's puppet. The soldiers he used to kill protesters were given Russian passports when they fled, likewise he was choppered out of his mansion and brought back to Russia.

Putin didn't "wake up one morning" and decide to invade Ukraine, he's been planning and preparing for it for many years. When political meddling, sparking a conflict and annexing territory didn't work, he just straight up Hitler-style invaded the country.

Ukraine is no threat to Russia on any level, they are the victim of Putin's imperial goals for the region.

They are completely fake, they aren't elections in any shape or form.

'' As regards Russia being concerned about NATO, that's obviously untrue for many reasons. If it were true, then Russia would not have carried out the 2022 invasion. ''

What are you trying to say here ?

He was not referring to Kaliningrad but Ukraine ?

Is it clear how much damage was done in the attack?

Yea , I suppose you are right. The Ru soldiers that are resting behind the front lines and waiting to go back out again to ‘play Ludo’ on the front line should be exempt from being killed. And the Ru soldiers that are making tea -their only task- on the front lines for those Ru soldiers trying to pick off the Ukr soldiers should also be exempt. The Ru tank drivers just driving along the road and minding their own business and not shooting or even pointing their turret at anyone or any village should also be exempt from being cannon fodder. They are just making their way to a point they were told to go to by their supervisor . But when the driver arrives at the point he asks ‘what is all that noise about- sounds like somebody is shooting at us”. These tank drivers should also be excluded from being shot. Even some of those in the front line trenches should be spared as they may be conscious objectors and are refusing to take part in the shooting of the Ukr soldiers.

i suppose if the SPECIAL MISSION is down to its last Ru soldier on the front line or wherever and even if he/ she has a Hugh backpack on shoulders with wires coming from it , the Ukr side should still check the Ru soldier’s position before considering what to do. So there you go.

Sounds like a poster looking for a little bit of attention painting themselves as a deep thinking interlectual,when you think your opinion holds some kind of weight.

Imagine thinking ukraine should surrender to Russia to prevent further dearths and life will just go on and everyone will live happily ever after pure fairtale stuffed.

Luckily for ukraine they have a amazing president and population willing to fight to the death to secure their future as a country free from invading orcs and missles strikes on their critical infrastructure,you predicted peace talks by Christmas (no one else is suggesting that ) I predicted strikes Crimea and on svastaspol , the only way this war ends is the total annihilation of russian forces in Ukraine and the return of all Ukrainian territory.

Thats the only way this ends .

Anyone claiming there should be peace talks around Ukraine ceeding sovereign territory to putin either is playing silly beggar's masquerading as I'm only seeking alternative views or questions under the guise of claiming interlectual discussion,

Yet demanding Ukraine surrenders is the only option.... laughable

Russia invaded ukraine for the second time in 8 years......

Thats what happened is currently happening,

But they are losing and losing badly against an army that didn't exist 8 years ago .

And there's no peace until Russian forces leave Ukraine,the pre 2014 borders reinstated and they return all of the Ukrainans including 600,000 children forcibly deported to Russia,

Without none of the above then there will be no peace

Russia has launched an illegal invasion to control and dominate Ukraine.

Full stop.

Come back to us when you digest that.

Absurd. Totally.

No what is disgraceful is Russias illegal invasion of Ukraine and war crimes committed therein. Strange you reserve your strongest comdemnation for the US when it is Russia carrying out war crimes on a daily basis.

Come back to us when you have considered what horribe fate would have awaited Ukraine under Russian occupation and drop this proxy war nonsense which has no merit or foundation on any level.

Atrocity and horror does not just occur in wartime.

From what you have posted so far what you call peace is just a demand for Ukranian surrender.

So what's your solution then.....

Very little of substance from you so far ,you want peace but have zero idea how to achieve peace