BoJo banished - Liz Truss down. Is Rishi next for the toaster? **threadbans in OP**

What might two years of Sunak being competent bring?

A tight Labour-SNP coalition who introduce PR and hence the Tories are out of power for multiple decades.

It's probably better for the Tories to implode and hope they can recover like their Canadian equivalent.

Also, assuming there won't be further incompetence scandals is brave, as the cabinet still has many incompetents in it

If they scrape in, they'll do it.

If the roll home with 400+ as your long term and temporary idols Johnson and Truss would have given them, they wouldn't do it.

Just how many U turns have the Tories done in the past six weeks? And don't you always try to defend U turns when the Tories make them?

The real question is what can Sunak do in the next two years to change course without completely dismantling the memory of the previous 12 years of government?

Brexit is the real elephant in the room, but obviously he can't go there. His grubby deal to select Braverman proves he hasn't the steel for that.

So what can he do. Truss was right in one sense, the UK needs growth. So where is Sunak going to get it from?

Because without that he faces exactly the same problems that the last few have faced.

And what will he do about NI? Face down the EU, and risk a potential trade war, or accept that growth is needed and face down the failed ideology of the ERG?

And funding for the NHS,rail workers qagw demands,teacher recruitment, Gove promised 300k houses a year those morning.

He has a clear issue with security that must be resolved. Factions within his own party.

He gas already been forced to postpone the budget and forced to accept Hunt as CX.

What gas he done so far that is getting you to warn to him?

Since polls have been recorded in Britain(from about 1945) no political party who has fallen behind by 20%-30% have gone on to win the next election. The polls will no doubt tighten, but Labour will almost certainly win the next election. The only thing really in doubt is by how much.

As for Braverman, according to Tim Shipman, she so unpopular within Westminster that people are literally queuing up to brief against her. She won't survive long.

While the British imposed PR in some form or another across most of its former colony's before it exited, there is no great love for PR type elections in the UK.

The labour party itself is luke warm if not downright on the idea. From a labour point of view it would give oxygen to Green and liberal politicians. As well if they win a majority they labour politicians will be reluctant to impose a system that would hand some of there power over to other politicians

When the Conservatives get back into power they would reverse process.

However the real opposition would be the printed media and the ordinary voter who have no concept or understanding of PR. As well it would be well nailed down before an election and would be a negative with the electorate IMO

You're looking at the Daily Mail headlines about the poll rather than the poll data itself. Can you see the basic error you're making here?

Per the poll results, Sunak is trusted over Starmer on the economy and on tax. However Starmer is trusted over Sunak on the cost of living and on public services. As to which of them is the more trusted as Prime Minister, it's Sunak over Starmer but only by 1%, which is well within the margin of error. A more accurate headline might have said that Sunak and Starmer were neck-and-neck as more trusted PM, but you wouldn't expect an accurate headline from the Daily Mail.

What might two years of a Sunak administration yield? Well, it would be astonishing if it yielded a recovery from the Tories' current poll depths. No UK party leader has ever managed such a thing, and the signs are very much that he won't either. His willingness to parrot meaningless platitudes about wokeness is a sign of weakness — if he's even half as competent as people like to hope he is, he knows they are rubbish. So why is he talking rubbish? Because he's insecure — he feels he needs to shore up the Tory base. He's certainly not going to win the middle ground by doing that.

And continuing to back Braverman, far from being "spot on", looks like an early and obvious mistake. His best hope now is that she implodes again and he can distance himself from her.

The USA also has FPTP, like the UK, so naturally it suffers from the same faults.

As I say, the primary characteristic of FPTP is that it creates two dominant parties and confers a great deal of power on them. The UK and the US have the longest-lived political parties in the democratic world - not because they have brilliant policies or wonderful leaders, but because they are strongly entrenched by the electoral system, and virtually impossible to shift.

In theory it is possible for one of the two parties to be supplanted by a new party but it is vanishingly rare; in the 200 years since the UK first started down the road to becoming a semi-representative democracy this has only happened once, in the 1920s, when Labour supplanted the Liberals as the only alternative to the Conservatives.

The result is that, if a political movement wishes to attain power or influence in the UK, it most do so by taking over one or other of the established parties.

The result of that is that the struggle for control of the party generally takes precedence over the desire to govern well; after all, if you don’t control the party you can’t govern at all.

The Tory party is in a febrile condition at the moment, dominated by delusional brexiters and ideological economic right-wingers who (because the implementation of their policies is producing such dismal results) feel very insecure in their dominance. Any attempt to lead the party to take a significantly different policy course will be seen by them as an attempt by another faction to seize control of the party, and they will resist that to the (political) death.

And that could suit Sunak, if he had not reappointed her she would be a leader for dissent on the backbenches. This way her career as a politician is set back 5 years

Thats crazy if true because the Russians have the Israeli Pegasus phone hacking system which is the same system MBS and Saudi used to hack Jeff Bezos and leak his bedroom photos. It is so effective that a single text message arriving on your phone (even if left unopened) is enough to download all the data on the phone and to listen to phone calls in real time. And it doesnt matter if you are using end to end encryption services like Whatsapp, Telegram as it bypasses all that too.

Kwasi better hope that Truss had no dirty pictures of the two of them on her phone or the Russians will leak them about 10 minutes after he gets inducted into the House of Lords. Truss' affairs aside this is a serious breach of national security at a time when the war in Ukraine was being discussed. Its not just Truss herself, it is likely stacks of communications between her and Foriegn Ministers right across Europe. Putin would have been feasting on that intelligence. And if they hacked Truss they definitely at least tried it on every other Tory cabinet minister. For all we know Putin could be in a very strong position to do damage to the current Tory govt.

It's a valid point, but I think a separate issue. No matter what voting mechanism you have, if you don't have an effective voter registration system there will be distortions. Ireland switching to FPTP, or a list system, or anything else, wouldn't solve the problem you're pointing to.

But it can be solved. One solution - this is available right now, and is perfectly legal - is for students etc to register both where they live during term and where they live during vacation. You can register in any constituency in which you have a residence. What you can't do is vote more than once. In my college days, in the late middle ages, the Students Union ran a voter registration campaign to get students registered in the constituency where the college was. (But I don't know how successful it was; voter participation among the young is relatively low.)

Another solution is to facilitate out-of-area voting. Here in Australia, I can go to any polling station and cast a vote for whatever constituency I am registered in - all polling places have copies of the voting register, and copies of ballot papers, for every constituency.

Just a point, I believe I read somewhere that the the bugging of royal phones took place at the landline end, i.e. in Clarence house and Kensington palace, not the mobile end.