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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Construction times can mean a lot of things

    Does it include design, financing, planning?

    In Ireland we also have regulatory infrastructure to set up from scratch?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Agreed. That’s a fantastic aspiration. The state needs to get its finger out and start the work



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    OMG. Shell aren't committed to renewable energy?????

    Get out of here. I'm shocked

    Uquinor pulled out because our regulatory framework was rubbish.

    That has improved since 2021

    Hows our regulatory framework for Nuclear?

    I'm sure they'll all be banging down our doors to get access to the lucrative Irish nuclear power market



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Centralised public transport?

    What are you talking about?

    Public transport should be as locally focused as possible.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    How much is it costing the Finns?

    If you are talking about Uranium it's the fuel rods you need to be concerned with and Russia is the biggest supplier of processed Uranium fuel



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,569 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande



    Once you start peeling back the grants the local charity industrial complex receives that are not funded by the Irish taxpayer, one bundling organisation in particular stands out, the European Climate Fund (ECF), this is funded by American billionaire families charitable funds such as Rockefeller Brothers Fund, Packard Foundation, Hewlett Foundation, Bullitt Foundation, Bloomberg Philanthropies (Michael Bloomberg). These environmentalists are very much in the green. (balance sheets) Greenpeace is a $400 million per annum business. There is also oil money behind the likes of extinction rebellion and just stop oil - Climate Emergency Fund (Aileen Getty).

    In the UK there is the Grantham Foundation (Jeremy Grantham) that funds the people pushing weather attribution studies. The Children’s Investment Fund Foundation is Sir Chris Hohn, who used to be the current UK prime ministers Rishi Sunaks boss. One of the first things Sunak did as prime minister was reinstate the UK ban on fracking. Some leading climate barkers such as the Guardian are supported by billionaires otherwise their balance sheet would have sunk them years ago. All aiming to absue the taxpayers labour, The United States is loaded with them as well.

    You want to hit them, take down their foundations (all of them)

    The Charity-Industrial Complex

    Imagine a billionaire. He’s an apolitical man. The driving purpose of his life has been to create goods and services for consumers and to provide shareholder value. He’s seventy years old, and suddenly realising he won’t be around forever starts thinking about his legacy. He consults his younger wife. She is also apolitical. After a few days or so of consulting each other they decide to find a way to donate 800 million to charity. They set to go and speak to their wealth advisors, to consult on where to go from here.The wealth advisors create a charitable foundation, the ‘Bill Foundation’. The Bill Foundation isn’t a charity itself, the couple’s advisors explain to them, but a grant-making organisation. That way, it can parcel out money to charities – 500k here, 100k there – as it sees fit, with a diverse portfolio of charitable giving. Most of the 800 million will be invested in a mixture of bonds and equities before being charitably disbursed; this means that the 800 million, over time, is set to grow. That way, it can keep giving out grants for a century or more, with no real end in sight.

    Behind the climate barkers is a wall of money, none of this is about changing the weather, it's about wealth redistribution to some very wealthy people.

    One of the members of the Irish Climate Change Advisory Council quango is Ottmar Edenhofer who gave an interview to a Swiss media outfit years ago that "Climate policy has almost nothing to do anymore with environmental protection . . .". That wealth redistribution is going to wealthy urban dwellers see Measuring the equity impacts of government subsidies for electric vehicles.

    The strong uptake in affluent areas has the potential of having an impact upon equity and just transition as the country seeks to decarbonise; and “if the price of traditional fuels increase, such policies could have a disproportionate impact upon those living in deprived areas with lower income levels”. source


    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Yes, Private transport tends to be more private than public transport.

    Public transport is a complex beast but private transport is usually inefficient because the most expensive infrastructure is utilised only a fraction of the time. (a 50k car sitting on a driveway 23 hours a day for example)

    Public transport is much more efficient at peak hours in populated areas, but in rural areas, private transport is more efficient (a stationary empty car is more efficient than an empty bus driving around with nobody on it)

    Look, you already agree that public transport is better than private cars if you have ever taken a plane to travel to another country.

    Here's the model

    Local generation, local use, local storage

    Backed up by

    Regional generation, regional storage, regional usage

    Backed up by national grid scale generation, grid scale usage and grid scale storage

    Connected to and backed up by Multinational generation, multinational storage and usage.


    Having local generation, storage and usage means the regional and national systems are more stable

    Not having the local element, means the regional and national scale infrastructure needs to be over engineered to cope with the rare but recurring events where there are spikes in demand.

    Imagine having to have a bus service capable of transporting 40k Clare people from all the different parts of Clare to Dublin for a specific time and date, on the rare occasion Clare are in an All ireland Hurling Final. Having a single centralised system built to this level would be ridiculously expensive as most of the time, nowhere near that number of people need to travel to that place at the same time, so the capacity would be massively under-used, but having distributed local capacity, allows for multiple independent pathways to achieve the same goal by re-organising the existing infrastructure.

    Having a thousand mini-busses that spend most of their time bringing people around their local area, but can drive people to Croke park on the 1 day a decade that they're needed. as well as a few thousand cars filled with 3-5 people all going to the same place... That's what we need. Flexible, and distributed resources that can be deployed as they are needed



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,076 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Construction time means the same be it for a nuclear plants or offshore turbines, so what is your time line for 30 GW of offshore.

    Less or greater than the mean construction time for the 441 nuclear plants built between 1976 and 2016 of 7.5 years?



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Wow you do manage to find some obscure sources to glom onto

    Who's Mark Granza?

    The heartland institute?

    Netzerowatch, a recent offshoot of the GWPF...



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,569 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    There are very few organisations in the West standing up to the climate howlers. As I said there is a wall of money behind climate alarmism and none if has to do with changing the weather, despite the air time given by organisations such as RTE to the cause.



    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



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    Here's an example of the green billionaires

    Well, the logo is green anyway




  • Registered Users Posts: 15,076 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    You really have to laugh at the doublespeak hypocrisy of Irish greens. When companies pulled out of Barryroe due to Ryan`s hand-sitting on regulations it nothing to do with the regulations, it`s because the project was unviable. When Shell and the E.S.B`s offshore partner Uquinor pull out of offshore here it was because of regulations.

    If it has improved since 2021 then why did Shell up sticks just a few months ago ?

    Uquinor doing the same in November 2021 looks nothing more than using the regulations excuse as a face saving exercise for their E.S.B ex-partners on their 30 GW economically unfeasible offshore plan. But perhaps you are clinging to the hope that with the change in regulations you expect them back any day now ?.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    No, dear George is only worth $8-$50 million. Those dates I mentioned, £10 per head, per venue. He's milking it like a pro.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,601 ✭✭✭ps200306


    Look on the bright side. Losing Equinor to build their 30 GW saves ESB the trouble of dealing with Tony O'Reilly of dCarbonX for the equally uneconomical hydrogen component. That's the waster who failed to develop Barryroe in the eight years after drilling an appraisal well.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,601 ✭✭✭ps200306


    That's a weird-ass breakdown. In any case:

    • Aramco is 98.5% owned by the Saudi government. There's no need for them to tax the shyte out of it as they get all the profits anyway. It paid an $18 bn dividend last quarter.
    • Profits are up about four-fold YoY because of high prices. In 2020 when they were hit by the pandemic they were down 45%. Oil is a boom and bust business.
    • Apple's current net profit margin in the quarter to Sep 22 is 23%, down nearly 7% YoY. Apple is regularly more profitable than Saudi Aramco. (Oh yeah, and they get more subsidies than Exxon).

    This all sounds reminiscent of when wind power cost a small fraction of natural gas prices ... on one particular day in August 2022 in another country. 🤣🤣🤣

    Cherrypicking much?



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,076 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Another plus plus for Irish household and businesses who would ultimately be paying back that E.S.B.plan of €83 billion plus interest, running costs and profit margin over a recycling maximum of every 27 years, as the hydrogen component cost is not included in that €83 billion.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,601 ✭✭✭ps200306


    Do you just wave a magic green wand or do you ever stop and do a back-of-an-envelope calculation of costs? I explained in a previous post why covering car parks in solar panels is not a bright idea. Would you like to give us a breakdown of costs for bringing every house in the country up to BER A/B standard, and installing rooftop solar plus a Tesla PowerWall or equivalent. Then, since they will still only have two days worth of electricity storage (not including any space heating), they will still need a grid connection. Add in the cost of providing all those grid connections to customers who only buy electricity when it suits them -- what's the payback time when having solar costs you extra for the grid and there are no feed-in tariffs? Calculate how much of global annual lithium production would be needed to provide each household with a PowerWall.

    And then, since you can't depend on solar I guess you're going to duplicate it all with wind. And then you're going to back that up in turn with nat gas. WHERE's THE COSTED PLAN?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Costed plan may not be the Issue the cash grab now seems to be reparations for 3rd world places. Same places that deforested turn land into deserts burn wood. Grow palm oil instead of food the list goes on but it's the wests fault.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,717 ✭✭✭ginger22


    And all these upgrades and new energy micro generation projects can be magiced up carbon and pollution free. Dream on.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,569 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    If you want to know why we are in a mess, World Energy Outlook 2022 (page 35), investment in fossil fuels has fallen by a third since 2015 in terms of GDP. Part of this was due to the collapse in oil and gas prices in 2014,normally these bounce back, undoubtedly the anti-fossil fuel agenda pursued across the West for climate reasons has had a major impact as well.

    Why are the Irish government TDs going after the bogs? A net zero pledge for all greenhouse gas emissions does not necessarily mean that CO2 emissions from the energy sector need to reach net zero. A country’s net zero plans may envisage some remaining energy‐related emissions are offset by the absorption of emissions from the agriculture, forestry and other land use (AFOLU) sink.

    Investment has remained steady in countries without a net zero pledge (page 36).

    If we think the consequences of the Russian invasion are bad, we miss the very real concern that we are only seeing the early signs of much worse to come. When the cuts in fossil fuel investment really start to bite and existing oil and gas fields begin to dry up, there will be a catastrophic energy crisis. Shortages will be very real and prices will rise well above today’s levels, as demand stays high and we find that renewable energy simply cannot keep up with demand.

    Corrib is estimated to go into decline in the next 2 years, After a Pyrrhic victory, one of British Prime minister Sunaks first acts has been to reimpose the ban on fracking. The plot against fracking How cheap energy was killed by Green lies and Russian propaganda


    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Cherrypicking lol

    Chevron better for you?

    Or Exxon?




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Corrib is estimated to go into decline in the next 2 years

    Corrib has been declining since it opened. Its best year was its second one, its been downhill hill ever since



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,569 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Want to use a hair dryer this Winter? - check if the wind is blowing first. That is the message from a recent radio advertisement. There were a few others in the same vein. It seems the Irish government is taking the softly, softly approach so far to the EUs mandatory target to "flatten the curve"


    Per the ESB

    When EirGrid issues an amber alert on the system, and customers are aware of this through media, then customers can certainly help by reducing their usage of electricity where possible at the peak hours (i.e 5pm – 7pm). High users of electricity include the following:  

     

    Electric shower and immersion water heater

    Electric car charging

    Appliances: tumble dryer, electric/induction cookers, dishwaher and washing machines

    Electric kettle, hairdryer and clothes iron

     

    Vulnerable customers who use electrical equipment to aid them in their daily lives are clearly not expected to refrain from using such equipment during the peak hours. 


    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Nuclear is 20 years of a pure drain on resources before the plant gets switched on. Wind and solar are smaller projects that come on stream incrementally. Wind and solar and storage prices fall over time, nuclear prices balloon from the original budget



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    There's nothing 'doublespeak' about using their own stated reasons for pulling out.



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Don't you ever get tired of defending oil companies?



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    The cost of insulating houses is negative. It is cheaper in the long run to not pay a fortune to heat the garden because your house is leaking energy



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Of course they can't. But as the grid and industry decarbonises the marginal CO2 emissions should fall lower and lower.



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Good news, but investment in fossil fuels is still way too high



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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,143 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    LOL posting stuff from clintel.org, who recently published that list of 1200 "scientists" who declared there to be no climate emergency.

    When looking closer at the list of signatories, there are precisely 1,107, including six people who are dead. Less than 1% of the names listed describe themselves as climatologists or climate scientists.

    Eight of the signatories are former or current employees of the oil giant Shell, while many other names have links to mining companies. 

    According to an independent 2019 count of the declaration's signatories, 21% were engineers, many linked to the fossil fuel industry. Others were lobbyists, and some even worked as fishermen or airline pilots.



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