2022 Irish EV Sales

It's more the whole comments about Russia/Ukraine. From today's statement he might actually make Twitter a huge success

My purchase of a VW won't make any money for the Nazis

Hmm, okay I missed that one

Yeah that's a pretty dire performance from Kia/Hyundai. They make one of the best EVs around and then they don't bother building any of them

I vaguely remember chatting to a Kia dealer about getting am E-Niro and he said that the UK and Ireland are in the same sales group or something. So Ireland gets what doesn't sell in the UK, which isn't much as you can imagine

Not sure if it's true or not but the numbers speak for themselves. I doubt there's piles of EV6s and Ioniq 5s littering forecourts of dealerships, so it's down to lack of supply

Yeah okay, I already got corrected. I thought the Model Y was still up around €60k

The numbers speak for themselves however, Model Y is not doing as good here so either it's not selling or not being supplied

I find it hard to believe any EV these days is having trouble selling so it seems more like to be a supply side issue. I know Giga Berlin is still ramping up, but Ireland must be pretty far down the priority list as well

Yikes, I hadn't heard about that. Surely they just replaced the parts and didn't scrap the cars?

In any case, they should be able to secure supply of semiconductors. If other manufacturers are starting to get out of the crunch zone on supply then there's manufacturing capacity out there

Jesus, that's nearly what I paid for my 1st Max. I'm starting to think I got a bargain 😳

Yeah I kinda suspected they should have no problem getting semiconductors given that some of the largest manufacturers in the world are located in the same country

I really do hope that production picks up. Like I said, they've made one of the best EV platforms that's available at the moment and it's a shame to see if hampered by supply

@the_amazing_raisin - "The numbers speak for themselves however, Model Y is not doing as good here so either it's not selling or not being supplied"

Until a few weeks ago, the cheapest Tesla Model Y was €73k. Of course it wasn't going to do well, that was poor value for money. Tesla Model Y was the best selling car in Europe though in September of this year. It's not impossible it will be the best selling car in the world next year.

Agreed. I expect there will be plenty of supply of Model Y whether they are coming from Germany or China. And I can see no reason why VW wouldn't keep up supply of the ID.4 either. Both are a very popular form factor and reasonably priced, so I'd expect both to sell well!

Out of interest, how much is a base ID.4 on the road? The volkswagen.ie website says pricing info is not available.

It's reported that they are getting rid of indicator stalks as well. Seems a bit crazy to me, no need to go reinventing something so simple that just works.

It’s funny what influences our decision to not buy brands if car yours is being the Tesla CEO fits . I bought a model 3 in 2019 and would never go back , it’s a super car , the main competitor at the time was VW and I will never buy VW due to the fact that while other manufacturers were developing battery tech they were building emissions cheat devices . That to me is inexcusable.

Yeah it's not exactly a looker. Looks like a Model 3 ate a Fiat Panda

I'm sure it's all awesome for aerodynamics, but I don't think it's a good look

Have you seen one in the flesh standing right beside it? I agreed with your statement until I did. It looks much better up close in person. More like a Model X than a bloated Model 3. But yeah the only generally considered great looking Tesla is the Model S. And then the facelift version. The original nose cone version is now 10 years old and the front looks a bit dated.

I would say it's more about the delivery trend. There was a big rush of deliveries at first and then it tapered off, which makes sense given how new the cars are

But it's tapered off to a very low number. That's concerning as it could indicate that dealerships are having trouble getting cars to customers

There were issues with supply of semiconductors which probably explains why that happened.

The big question is what happens next, will Hyundai/Kia be able to fix the supply problems and fulfill customer orders, or are we so down the priority list that it'll be well into 2023 before we see the E-GMP cars in bigger numbers

I hope they do, every EV sold typically means that someone didn't buy an ICE car

Must be trying to get BMW drivers to switch over, them lads never use an indicator so no need for the stalk 😁

It looks like a duck from the front and an X from the back imo. Not a particularly pretty car, but it's a utilitarian tool not meant to be pretty - same as the 3

Way more spacious. Huge boot space and a bit more elevated than the 3.

people buy a Tesla because it’s a Tesla. I know BMW have suspect reliability, but I have a preference for them. Completely natural

e.g look at the prices of ‘19 and ‘20 model 3’s - there’s very little gap between the SR+ and the LR (€1-3k), but there was €15k price difference when new. People just want to get into a Tesla, the model variant is almost immaterial.

Indeed LR’s have come down about €15k over the 3 years since first deliveries, nearly looking like value 😏

Not all semiconductors are the same. They are very very very specialized. The trouble Hyundai had was with power semiconductors in the motors manufactured by Infineon. Infineon reportedly scrapped 2 to 3 months worth of production and claim they didnt ship any affected product to customers. However Hyundais power module supplier reported much higher failure rates around the same time so on the surface it would appear that some defective chips escaped. Good news is that infineon have fixed the problem and managed to ramp up production so hopefully supply constraint should ease in the coming quarters.

Model 3 is definitely better looking than the Y, more efficient too but the Y has the big boot.

Regards the screen, you very rarely need to touch it while driving as most of the controls are automated. You can also use voice control and you have all the basic functions on the steering wheel or stalks, wipers, headlights, audio, phone, cruise control, etc... User interface is streets ahead of anything that was around in 2019/2020 when I was looking and it's improved considerably since then too.

How often do you open the glovebox? I'd say I open mine every 6 months to get out the screen wipe and clean the screen when parked somewhere.

With no mandatory and expensive service intervals there's no need to visit a dealer, there's also mobile service agents that can come to your house or workplace to fix minor items if required.

I presume people trading in existing ICE for a rolling PCP with easy finance from VW bank is a big part of why VW are doing so well compared to a similarly priced but superior in many ways Hyundai, Kia or Tesla.

I'll give credit to Google, the voice controls on Android auto are pretty good.

Much better than Helga from the ID.4 who seems to be half deaf

What annoys me about removing buttons is that it's an obvious cost saving measure on a car which costs over €50k to begin with

It's like Apple removing the headphone jack because "nobody uses it", not because they're trying to make the hardware as profitable as possible 😒

If it was a €20k car and the spec was cut to the bone for cost savings then fair enough. For over €50k I don't think it's unreasonable to expect the luxury of being able to change the temperature without mashing my finger against the screen while trying not to roll over a group of school kids 😬

Tesla have 2 production models doing 98% of its volume, and won’t be replacing either for many years to come.

that lack of a clear model lifecycle means a drip-feed of software & cabin updates is a necessity, as they come up against a constant stream of freshly designed models from other manufacturers.

The 3 and Y are not good looking designs imho (and that seems to be a generally accepted opinion), so they’re unlikely to age well, like the S did. As a minimalist though, I think the Tesla interior is the best there is, and that’s where I spend my time.

heck, Ferrari have had the indicators on the steering wheel for decades :)