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Pubs and Clubs to get longer opening hours

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    #362
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users Posts: 7,359 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119825633#Comment_119825633

    Late licensing hasn't arrested the decline in England and Wales so why do you think it will here?



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    #363
    L1011
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119825682#Comment_119825682

    The UK (well: England) had late for clubs decades earlier than for pubs

    The pubs going 24h has caused a lot of the decline

    You're trying to use figures to prove something they don't prove.



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    #364
    growleaves
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    Isn't it also the case that there are fewer Gen Z than there are Millennials overall?

    So as older Millennials go out less there should be a shrinking customer base.



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    #365
    MrMusician18
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119825690#Comment_119825690

    My point is that the licensing change is not going to result in a niteclub renaissance that some here think it will. It hasn't in England and it won't do it here.

    And overall, the changes might provide a short fillip to the overall industry, they will likely be erased quite quickly due to societal and demographic changes.



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    #366
    Subzero3
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    Longer opening hours means drug dealers will be making more money. Especially cocaine dealer's.



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    #367
    Riesen_Meal
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119825682#Comment_119825682

    It's because we haven't had our usual late club's since 2004 or so, we have a much younger cohort of clubbers who go clubbing abroad on Ryanair flights every weekend due to them not been able to be out late partying here in their own country...




    I'm not referring to the likes of Coppers here, I'm talking house, drum n bass and techno clubs, specialised purpose built club spaces, not top 40 chart music place's...


    (no offense to them intended)



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    #368
    Riesen_Meal
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119825735#Comment_119825735

    Cocaine dealers are 24 hours everywhere, I don't get your point?



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    #369
    MrMusician18
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119825735#Comment_119825735

    I understand the HSE are now monitoring Ringsend WWTP so the actual size of the market can now be established.

    It will be interesting to see what happens.



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    #370
    MrMusician18
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119825738#Comment_119825738

    You could count on no hands the amount of people who go clubbing every week abroad via Ryanair flights.



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    #371
    Riesen_Meal
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119825753#Comment_119825753

    I have done plenty of times when I was a fair bit younger, any given weekend and people are off to Berlin, London or Amsterdam on a Ryanair flight to go raving for the weekend, just because you don't think people are doing it, it doesn't mean it's not happening...



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    #372
    L1011
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119825753#Comment_119825753

    Before I was 30 I was off to Birmingham (mainly) every 3-4 weeks



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    #373
    Riesen_Meal
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119825782#Comment_119825782

    Was this to go clubbing specifically?



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    #374
    L1011
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119825790#Comment_119825790

    Yes. Going to Air mainly, but also the Academy and other clubs.

    Leeds and Utrecht also featured.

    Stopped when hangovers started to take days!



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    #375
    griffdaddy
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    You've obviously never been on a Sunday night flight back from Gatwick or Monday flight back from Berlin then...



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    #376
    waterwelly
    Registered Users Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119825633#Comment_119825633

    Nothing in these new laws has changed the reasons why clubs have been closing for the past 20 years.

    There may be a small market for 6am clubs but I rember when many small villages in Ireland had a nightclub and that's all gone forever now.



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    #377
    Riesen_Meal
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119825807#Comment_119825807

    Used to go to Cream and Creamfields in Liverpool in my early noughties myself, sometimes on the boat, sometimes on plane, whichever was cheapest, not so able for it these days myself to be fair!


    Mind you I did go to Fold in London last year and that was a great spot...



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    #378
    MrMusician18
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119825782#Comment_119825782

    That's not every week. And it's far less affordable to do that kind of thing now.

    The amount of people flying out of Dublin to go clubbing more than 12 times a year is miniscule.



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    #379
    L1011
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119825853#Comment_119825853

    With Airbnb and more Ryanair flights (and higher incomes) its probably more affordable now than Aer Lingus and hotels.

    Add together everyone doing and it's quite substantial. I would have known 20-30 other Irish going to the same clubs and I wasn't going to the biggest most popular events either



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    #380
    Subzero3
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119825746#Comment_119825746

    No problem.



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    #381
    waterwelly
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119825859#Comment_119825859

    I think most people agree that there is a limited market for 6am clubs in a city like Dublin where there is enough population to sustain one, and there may be an overseas market using an abundance of cheap flights.

    But in regional towns around Ireland I can't see there being much market for 6am clubs when they can't even sustain 2.30am clubs.



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    #382
    L1011
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119826101#Comment_119826101

    And I also don't think you're going to see any outside the cities. Maybe some will go to 3 or 4.

    It's not going to be compulsory to use the full time.



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    #383
    waterwelly
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119826135#Comment_119826135

    Outside cities what we might see is a "nightclub" that's really just a late night bar, people coming off shift work etc., might go there for their pints, the dancefloor in the corner being only there to appease the licencing laws.



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    #384
    Beechwoodspark
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    Big article in Irish times this morning interviewing bar and club owners in Galway.

    the article headline is “Galway bars: ‘Extending hours is not going to help, just put more pressure on us’

    lot of raised eyebrows and scepticism about the plans - 1 guy in the trade since 1996 says there won’t be a demand for opening that late no matter what the actual law is.

    Lot of tough questions too for the Govt about whether adequate resources will be in place (health, garda, transport, night time chippers, street cleaners, shop workers etc) for this to happen.

    the unspoken answer is “NO - there will be no extra resources provided but ah shur twill be grand...”

    let’s see how that works out for them.

    the major flashing red light is the effect on public health these lunatic proposals will have.

    Dr Áine McNamara, Health Service Executive area director of public health for the west and northwest, said Ireland had one of the highest levels of alcohol consumption in the OECD, and ongoing levels of alcohol-related morbidity and early mortality.

    “We are concerned that the proposed extension to licensing hours would lead to an increase in the harmful direct and indirect health effects of alcohol use in Galway and in Ireland nationally,” she said.

    She has good intentions but that is the understatement of the year from the good doctor.



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    #385
    dominatinMC
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119848153#Comment_119848153

    When will doctors ever not be "concerned"? Perpetually concerned. Just as you perpetually spam the thread with one-sided articles to suit your agenda. Give it a rest. We all know you're not happy, that's not going to change anything. This is going ahead, some will like it, some won't, some will avail of it, some won't. Time will tell if this will be a success or not.



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    #386
    Beechwoodspark
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    It’s not spam to point out huge concerns from the main stakeholders.

    I and other posters (who are not 100% cheerleaders towards the proposals) have been subjected to shrill hectoring by other posters saying all of the concerns had been “dealt with” and to shut up and go away.

    Ominous stuff really.

    The reality is concerns were either ignored or silenced, given the societal response since these proposals were announced.

    These mad proposals clearly contradict the goals of the Public Health (Alcohol) Act 2018, which aims to reduce alcohol consumption in Ireland.

    Then we had the crazy Carry on of Minister for Health Donnelly not raising alarm over the proposals, abandoning public health - despite being provided with advice from his public health experts. Resigning matter.

    Whole thing is a mess.



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    #387
    hynesie08
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119848153#Comment_119848153

    Did you read the article or just a headline and invent the rest?

    An actual publican

    “If, for example there was three nightclubs open on a Friday and Saturday in Galway next year, and one of them is closing at three, and one’s closing at four, and the other closes at six, and the late bars are closing at half two and the bars are closing sometime between 11.30 and 12.30, you’re staggering out the crowd for taxis, for safety,” he said.

    The only place that would currently be eligible to apply didn't respond.

    Some lad who used to run a club.

    “I can categorically tell you that 90 per cent of our drink sales were done by half one in the morning, so the last hour we were serving very, very little alcohol. So extending those hours now – that’s not going to help, it would just put more pressure on us,” he added.

    Yeah, it's called stockpiling, it's what young adults do when you only give them a 2 hour window between pubs and clubs.

    The one publican who doesn't see an appetite for it doesn't even open full hours as is, I don't think his clientele are affected either way.

    The rest is handwringing and HSE handbook responses, it's far from mixed.


    Look I get it, you hate nightclubs, but this is happening, and you bumping this thread with Irish times articles geared towards people who haven't been inside a nightclub since you had to wear a suit isn't going to change that. It's just getting a bit sad now.



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    #388
    irelandrover
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119848197#Comment_119848197

    For a bar owner who doesn't want to open longer, what effect will this have on him?

    And if the good doctor can show why she is concerned then she has a point. Otherwise she is just fearmongering based on nothing. We also had the exact same complaints before good friday openings but the world hasnt ended.

    These mad proposals clearly contradict the goals of the Public Health (Alcohol) Act 2018, which aims to reduce alcohol consumption in Ireland.

    Can you show this law would increase alcohol consumption? I know when i was working in bars the busiest time was the 15 minutes before closing when everyone would buy a few drinks. If the closing time isn't so early then this rush doesn't happen as people leave due to getting tired.

    Then we had the crazy Carry on of Minister for Health Donnelly not raising alarm over the proposals, abandoning public health - despite being provided with advice from his public health experts. Resigning matter.

    When asked about health concerns about easing licensing laws, Mr Donnelly said: “My view and government’s view is we have the right balance.

    “I’m precluded from talking about exactly what was discussed at Cabinet, but what I can say is I did raise the fact that the public health team within the Department of Health have significant concerns.



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    #389
    hynesie08
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119848197#Comment_119848197

    It’s not spam to point out huge concerns from the main stakeholders.

    What main stakeholders? No one in that article currently owns a nightclub, might as well ask the son of someone who ran dinner dances in the 70s in that case.


    Then we had the crazy Carry on of Minister for Health Donnelly not raising alarm over the proposals, abandoning public health - despite being provided with advice from his public health experts. Resigning matter.

    What advice was he provided from his advisors? I'm sure you have detailed information on what all of them recommended, not just an article where one expressed doubts.

    Again you're just showing ignorance as to what an advisory role actually entails.



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    #390
    L1011
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119848197#Comment_119848197

    Were you even aware there was a huge, detailed consultative process? Did you make a submission?

    Or are you just angry after the fact?



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    #391
    timmyntc
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119848153#Comment_119848153

    ..Dr Áine McNamara, Health Service Executive area director of public health for the west and northwest, said Ireland had one of the highest levels of alcohol consumption in the OECD, and ongoing levels of alcohol-related morbidity and early mortality.

    As of 2019 we were 10th highest in OECD, "one of the highest" is misleading imo. But what else would you expect from the HSE

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119825682#Comment_119825682

    The decline in the UK and here was primarily due to insurance and other costs, and aging demographics on the whole. The licensing also factors into this, in that opening from 11 to 3am was never viable here given the extortionate overheads just to open at all. Plenty of rural nightclubs would only open at 12am too just as pubs started to empty - with the cost of insurance (big rises in last decade) and security staff and license exemptions it was not viable anymore.

    Licensing law reform is one element badly needed, it will not arrest the decline alone but it certainly helps. If liability insurance could be tackled then we would see the scene thrive easily



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