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The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 3) Mod Notes and Threadbanned List in OP

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  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's a circle needs squared,but what we spent on COVID/slashed from economy would cover the perceived shortfall for upto 7 years....


    the likely uptick in economic activity in intervening years backed by dublin,would make it near self sustaining



    All this without mentioning EU structural grants to bring poor regions upto scratch (quite why British government never applied for these is gross af)



    As an aside,we are headed for massive reform on taxation over next few years with massive increase in it,the tax commission report kicked to touch by ffg will end up being implemented anyway....we can't sustain a country on whims of dozen or so multi-national corporations given days of low corp tax is coming to an end



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,217 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    "As an aside,we are headed for massive reform on taxation over next few years with massive increase in it,the tax commission report kicked to touch by ffg will end up being implemented anyway....we can't sustain a country on whims of dozen or so multi-national corporations given days of low corp tax is coming to an end"

    Hah.. the famous SF taxation reform. Let's see this very clearly spelt out to voters in the Republic come next election. You can be sure that it will come under ferocious examination by both the media and other candidates. So that the public may know what they're buying into, if they tick any SF candidates box.



  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    This being the 500 page report by KPMG the government spent millions of tax payers money to immediately dismiss...preferring to place funding the economy in a small insecure area....ala 2007 and stamp duty receipts


    No wonder the country is such a backwards dump,nothing ever changes here,only level of disaster that liberials inflict upon the population as they lack maturity to run country properly 👏👏👏



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,319 ✭✭✭blackbox


    If the people in Northern Ireland choose to leave the UK they should form an independent nation and resolve the partisan issues amongst themselves and become financially independent.

    When they have achieved this, at some future date they may wish to apply to merge with the Republic of Ireland or to join the EU as an independent nation.

    Moving directly from being part of the UK to becoming part of the Republic of Ireland would be a disaster.



  • Registered Users Posts: 482 ✭✭notsocutehoor


    I’d disagree with this but I see where you’re coming from, I don’t think that an independent NI would be a viable entity. I’d agree that moving directly to becoming part of the Republic of Ireland would be a disaster, because there is never going to be a situation where a significant number of NI people would ever willingly accept being part of the Republic of Ireland.

    What would work imo is an Agreed Ireland (as opposed to a United Ireland), the set up would be financially supported initially by GB and the EU and probably by the US, but more importantly FDI would flood into a six counties at peace and part of an agreed Ireland, there would be no need for us to be financially supportive. It’s probably a utopian hope, but a softly softly start needs to be made.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,709 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    "No wonder the country is such a backwards dump,nothing ever changes here,only level of disaster that liberials inflict upon the population as they lack maturity to run country properly"

    Jaysus, what is your definition of a Liberal as it relates to irish politics?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,610 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


    I'm even more curious about what his definition of a backwards dump is. As much as I have my complaints about how the state is run, compared to the vast, vast majority of the globe we're anything but a backwards dump, and I don't think a 32 county socialist Republic run on SF economics would be quite the utopia to even draw the comparison in hypothetical terms.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    Tracker mortgage holders (myself included) have been living high on the hog for over fifteen years now.

    Most of us realised that the historically low rates just wouldn't last and planned accordingly.

    Doherty is looking more tired and inept every time he opens his mouth these days.

    Doesn't bode well for the future when he more than likely becomes minister if he's this jaded on the opposition benches.



  • Posts: 2,725 [Deleted User]


    Doherty isn’t a clever man. He isn’t even that articulate. His routine of doing some shouting and waving of paper in the Dáil so the lads in Mountjoy and Serbia can create a short video for Facebook and Twitter is wearing very thin.

    If the Shinners start sacking or demoting civil servants and have lads like Doherty calling the shots then we are doomed. They’ll quickly get a lesson in the non existence of the magic money tree, and the realities of things like bond maturity, raising the pension age etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,909 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    "the PSNI still believes the IRA Provisional Army Council oversees both the IRA and Sinn Féin. Harris was asked if the Garda agreed with this view and replied that it did."

    Drooling on? I am with the PSNI and the Gardai on this one. You are with the conspiracy theorists.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 27,909 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    They seem to have adopted the Liz Truss playbook. She and her team sacked civil servants immediately after taking office, and O'Broin has promised to do the same.



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,909 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    There was no KPMG report, just a bunch of do-gooders from the public service, not-for-profits and accountants looking to fleece ordinary people of their money.

    The only person working in the private sector was the CEO of Cilter Technologies which makes nanny software.



  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Deary me,you've really really bought into this

    it was the view of IRA members that the army council oversees both the IRA and Sinn Féin 


    Tell me,now since your knee deep into conspiracy theories


    where would you feel the psni come upon this info??


    and would someone supplying said info been potentially under financial inducement to say something,that would be advantageous to continuence of their career in providing info on an organisation that simply deosnt exist🤣🤣🤣


    ..because the reluctance of anyone to actually name a single member of this so called army council under dail previlage speaks volumes to me anyway.....whole thing deosnt stand up to anything like scurtiny,anyone with commonsense can see through it as tosh



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,909 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Back to conspiracy theories where you put to one side what the Gardai and PSNI have put on the public record.



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,909 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    You just backed up what I said. Look at the list - do-gooders from Threshold and Nevin Economics who don't have a clue about taxation, tax consultants who are looking for more work, and empire-building public servants.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,103 ✭✭✭Odhinn




  • Posts: 2,725 [Deleted User]


    300k profit on the online shop. Must be some margin on the old pins, posters, and t-shirts....

    It's still an exercise in selling cheap tat, but they did get rid of the Sniper at Work stuff etc. Might still be on sale by the former comrades down the road in Teach Dáithí Ó Conaill.



  • Registered Users Posts: 482 ✭✭notsocutehoor


    Everyone is an expert in their own right/mind, there were a number of people (including a self-proclaimed tax advisor) on here a few weeks ago who hadn't a clue about effective tax rate and how it could be reduced, but that didn't stop them



  • Registered Users Posts: 482 ✭✭notsocutehoor


    Every little bit helps, as the woman said when she p1ssed in the ocean



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,775 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    You raise a lot of good points on SF trying to please everyone for votes.

    But eventually they will have to discard more ‘traditional’ elements from their own party in the quest for where the real consistent power in the ROI. Thinking about it I think it will likely cause another spilt.in SF. As the more ‘traditional’ SF support get disgruntled. And there is likely to be a SF NI v SF ROI internal conflict in the future.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,610 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


    I certainly think that there will be a N/S schism in SF should Unification happen; before that, I'd say the Unification factor will hold them together until then. I'd expect the same with the SNP in Scotland too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,775 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Good article here opinion piece from the IT by Gerard Howlin on EO’B wanting to sack the Chief Economist.

    I was thinking where does this attitude from SF stem from?

    Is it because SF view ‘this state’ as the enemy ?

    But even the Free State years ago had British Civil Servants for decades. The FS had the real power.

    In contrast is SF fearing an imagined lack of control in ‘this state’?

    Howlin makes a great point that SF /EOB has basically shot themselves in the foot. Straying from it’s carefully manicured strategy.

    In my view now instead of a dog (with propensity to violence) that tries to look no threat and cuddly. This is an example of the dog returning to it’s true nature.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users Posts: 762 ✭✭✭starkid


    yes i do think there will be a split. its inevitable really. if people had seen who went to the protests against covid they would have seen the beginnings. lads in my area literally dusted off their white shirts and used them to attend as Republicans. SF will betray their ideals, and it will lead the Republicans to their natural home on the right. either when they can't deliver the social utopia they promise, or they take their eyes off the main prize (for republicans) when in government.

    its funny SF think they are closer than ever. for me its just going to be an oasis/mirage that keeps on moving as they think they get closer and closer. the centre, mixed identities will grow and SF will have gone too centrist to right the ship.

    As a betting man i actually think an alliance led NI state will come first, before a United Ireland. indeed it might be the best way to actually gain a United Ireland in the end.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,775 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Does Howlin's background completely invalidate the point he is making though? Personally I thought it was a very fair and reasoned comment/opinion. It would be like me raising an eyebrow anyone from SF commenting on law and order based on their past, even if the question is a common sense one. A hypothetical example Dessie Ellis as future Minister for Justice calling for more Gardai on the streets.

    Calling for more Gardai on the streets would be a valid call, regardless of Ellis's background. If you were to judge many in SF on their backgrounds and past alone - many would not be fit to even enter the Dail, nevermind lead it. But fairminded people look beyond the past and look to what someone would do in the future.

    Now we can only go on E.O'B's comments in the future he wants to get rid of the Chief Economist. Rather than avoiding the question/opinion raised I would be interested to hear your views on it. As the real irony to me is you delve into Howlin's background to avoid the issues raised. But not only that, the paper you quote it from is the independent, a paper which SF supporters laugh and sneer at (sometimes with justification).

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,775 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    I would particularly agree with your last points. as I think the electorate in NI (especially as the younger electorate start voting) there will gradually get fed up of the Tricolour/British flag wavers, currently the crowd on both sides of the divide seem to be solely put there to keep the others out. Giving them a sense of false security.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users Posts: 482 ✭✭notsocutehoor


    What question/opinion do you want me to address, in simple terms because I'm a simple person



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,775 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    I think you are playing the notsocutehoor! 😉

    But anyway the question is, do you think Eoin O'B was right to be calling for the Chief Economist to be sacked? And the second part of the question is do you think it was a misstep in SF's overall strategy as Howlin suggested, in the article I previously posted?

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users Posts: 482 ✭✭notsocutehoor


    Part 1 - don't know really, is the suggestion that the chief economist isn't up to the job or that Eoin O'B has a vendetta against him

    Part 2 - It might be a misstep in SF's overall strategy or it mightn't be, depending on the answer to Part 1.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,775 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm



    Well considering Eoin said his comments were 'ill judged' at later date I get the impression someone in SF had a word in his ear.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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